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    Re: Snow tires....

    Quote Originally Posted by Philkinson View Post
    Ya but they're pretty cost effective. Had them on my 01 Corolla and they made the thing unstoppable in 3 winters. For 42 a tire I was living the dream.
    And let's be honest, it's a winter tire... How much performance do you need from it?

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    I expect way more performance than I can get from a high quality all season, otherwise why bother?

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    It's not the tread pattern alone that makes a good winter tire good. It's the rubber and how they go about getting microsipes in it as well as what they do to that helps it function in sub-zero temps that matters.

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    Re: Snow tires....

    Quote Originally Posted by zxme View Post
    The Sailum and Altimax Artics are so similar.

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    They appear to have cloned or purchased the molds from the Hankook Winter I-Pike.

    The Altimax Arctic is the Gislavid NordFrost 3, rebranded.


    And if you wonder where they got the idea, this is the 2005-vintage Nokian RSI.

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    Re: Snow tires....

    Quote Originally Posted by e30addict View Post
    Sailun = Chinese knockoffs.
    General = American knockoff

    everyone is trying to copy Nokian


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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyO View Post
    General = American knockoff

    everyone is trying to copy Nokian

    Well Nokian kinda led the industry for decades.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyO View Post
    General = American knockoff
    Not really. But a fascinating study in branding.

    General is owned by Continental AG, a $40 billion Corp and one of the world’s premium tire manufacturers. They purchased General Tire in the 80’s. In the 90’s they purchased Gislaved, a Swedish tire manufacturer. Because Finland, Norway, and Sweden require winter tires, it’s a large and highly developed market.

    Gislaved made a number of winter tires under the NordFrost sub-brand. When they developed a successor to the highly successful NordFrost 3, those molds were transferred to General. Tire molds commonly have inserts for the brand name and this is easily done.

    Continental kept the Gislaved brand as a primarily “Nordic” brand but decided to market those tires under the General name in the US. Now that the value-priced AA’s are being undercut by Chinese and other low-cost producers, they may bring the Gislaved brand to the US, or may stick with the Altimax family branding. Gislaved has introduced two or three new models in the meantime, and Continental has their line of WinterContact tires as well. One third to one half of the tire market is the “value” segment (cheapest price) so there are big stakes for a company like Continental.

    The Altimax Arctic 12 is a rebranded Gislaved NordFrost 100, so it’s a much newer design latest is the NordFrost 200) at a price maybe 20% more than Altima Arctic but 20% less than Nokian.

    We had a VW Scirocco we used for Performance Rallying and ice time trials and bought the original Conti Contacts to keep out of the studded tire class. I worked for a rubber molder of OEM car parts at the time so been following the technology ever since. Molded rubber is wild stuff.

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    Got Blizzaks on the ol' ladies Soul, now she motors past all the Mud an Snow people goin nowwhere when the light on the hill turns green.
    Never going back to M/S 's.

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    Re: Snow tires....

    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    Not really. But a fascinating study in branding..................................
    You really don't have much to do with your time do you? LOL

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    I like to try out different winter tires, took a chance last year on a set of Falken Eurowinter, I would say AVOID them unless you get a screaming deal. Better than A/S but poor compared to top shelf snows (Blizzak/Nokian/X-ice, etc), which was unfortunate as I've had a few decent Falken performance summer sets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tls25rs View Post
    You really don't have much to do with your time do you? LOL
    Fair commentary.

    But I’m at a ski house with my Mother In Law and four teenagers, it’s -2 and we have marginal interwebz....

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    Quote Originally Posted by tls25rs View Post
    You really don't have much to do with your time do you? LOL
    Hey. That was actually pretty interesting haha!

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    The lack of TLA's makes me suspect his account has been hacked.

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    Re: Snow tires....

    NAF.NO made the winter results available, posted at Enter Hakka 9 – The 2017 NAF Winter Tire Test | Saskatchewan Studded Tire Club
    Not all are available in US. Many manufacturers offer special “Nordic” versions. ContiVikingContact does not seem to be sold in US.Sava is owned by Goodyear, made in Slovenia. A lot of police vehicles use Goodyears but they don’t seem as popular as the other top brands.

    Studless Tire Ranking List and Final Scoring

    Continental ContiVikingContact 6, 8.1 points
    Sava Eskimo Ice, 7.6 points
    Nokian Hakkapeliitta R2, 7.5 points
    Goodyear Ultra Grip Ice 2, 7.5 points
    Michelin X-Ice XI3, 7.4 points
    Hankook Winter I * Cept IZ2, 7.4 points
    Bridgestone Blizzak WS80, 7.2 points
    Pirelli Ice Zero FR, 7.1 points
    Landsail Winter Lander, 6.7 points
    Linglong Green-Max Winter Ice I-15, 6.3 points
    Nankang Ice Activa Ice-1, 6.2 points

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    Re: Snow tires....

    First real test for my Hakkas today, we had about 4" of snow on the ground and the roads hadn't been plowed when I came into work. Under low to mid acceleration they stick like glue in both straights and cornering. If I boot it it'll break loose but with decent bite/drive and very predictable drifting. Normal braking conditions I have zero slippage. Emergency braking test I got my ABS to fight back and some sliding. Gotta say I'm very pleased.

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    So after this storm I'm pretty impressed with the ArticMax. They let me chew through snowbanks and stick the car places no one else would go without worry.


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    Re: Snow tires....

    Altimax Arctic?

    Motor Trend tested the “new” Altimax Arctic 12, which is the General-branded Gislavid NordFrost 100. That’s one gen back from the NordFrost 200 but two gens newer than the Altimex Arctic.

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    Re: Snow tires....

    No idea which generation they are. I'm guessing at least a generation of two from current. They certainly killed my fuel mileage so I'm guessing old design.

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