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    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    Are the General Altimax arctic still a thing?
    According to the General website, they are still made but the largest wheel size they cover is 17" and they don't have a model with the right width and aspect ratio to get me close to the circumference of my stock setup. The right 17" wheel might fit my car but I wouldn't want to chance it via mail order. It looks like General's Altimax Arctic 12 has a close enough 18" size but Tire Rack doesn't carry it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Falko View Post
    I ran Yokohama IceGuards for a few years on my FWD SAAB.
    I must have overlooked them but Tire Rack lists the IceGuard IG52C in my size. I'll keep them in mind.

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    Re: Snow tires....

    I've tried Michelin snows, Yokohama snows, the Artic Maxes and the Hakkas.

    All except the Hakkas have been meh IMO.

    They're all light years above all seasons and some are fairly impressive at times, but the only ones that have exceeded expectations all around are the Hakkas.

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    Re: Snow tires....

    Quote Originally Posted by ZX-12R View Post
    Time to drag up this thread again. I'm buying a winter tire package from Tire Rack for my MKZ. I'm downsizing to 18" wheels with 245/45R18 tires (factory 18" tire size). There are a handful of tire options and I have no insight into what's good or not so I would like opinions. My options are (run flats not included):

    Michelin X-ICE XI3: I'm partial to Michelin for all my other tire needs. I'm concerned about the relatively small grooves in the tread and how it affects its ability to shed snow and water.

    Bridgestone Blizzak LM001: Tread looks nice and aggressive. Everything I've found suggests they work well but wear quickly and I rack up a lot of highway miles.

    Continental Wintercontact SI: Don't know anything about them.

    Pirelli Winter Sottozero 3: Don't know anything about them other than I've had good luck with Pirelli all-seasons in the past.

    All these tires cost about the same with the Blizzaks being an outlier on the high side. Due to the miles I rack up, I would sacrifice some capability in extreme conditions in favor of a tire that would last longer. This is my first AWD car and I've made do with mostly FWD vehicles and all-seasons my entire life. I'm sure any of these will be better than what I've used in the past.

    What says the horde?
    I've had a set of Pirelli Sottozero's (I think 2). They do not perform in the snow any better then the A/S Pirelli's that came on my Golf.

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    I run Michelin X-ice on my Mazda3, and General Altimax on my wife's older Mazda3. Hers is more capable, but louder. Mine is still capable, but not invincible. We use my car when we're together. I wanted her to be able to go anywhere with near impunity. Now, she has a job where if the kids have a snow day, she has a snow day.

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    Nokian introduced WRG4 and Hakka R3 and R3 SUV.

    R3 has grit in the compound like the R2, but further lowers rolling resistance and added Aramid fibers in the sidewall, which should help longevity.

    Controlled grip, more comfortable driving: Nokian Hakkapeliitta R3 and Nokian Hakkapeliitta R3 SUV – peace of mind for the Northern winter / Nokian Tyres

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    I've already put the R3s on my short list. In 245/45R18 I can get 4 mounted and balanced for about $1024 (not run flat). Not cheap but definitely not the most expensive option out there.

    I still have to do a little homework on wheels and what will fit properly. Until I pull a wheel and check for myself, I believe my car has an 8" wide wheel with a +55mm offset. Most of the aftermarket wheels are +48mm which would push things outward 7mm and I don't want anything to rub.

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    Check on places like eBay and CL for factory take offs.

    We were able to buy Z71 18’s for under $200 each. Lot of yoot going to 20+.

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    I've been looking and I've only come across singles every now and then. The wheels for Lincoln changed in 2017 and there isn't much out there.

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    Check wheel-size.com, they have information on the factory wheels. If they'll fit, don't be opposed to drop a wheel size for snows. The extra side wall is nice for winter heaves and holes. Handling suffers though, obviously.

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    Fwiw I always buy my winter tires on Craigslist or similar. Can usually spend a few hundred on a mounted set vs a thousand plus spare wheels. Had good luck with the ridgeline and the murano

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falko View Post
    Check wheel-size.com, they have information on the factory wheels. If they'll fit, don't be opposed to drop a wheel size for snows. The extra side wall is nice for winter heaves and holes. Handling suffers though, obviously.
    My car has 19" wheels but the base model has 18s which is what I'm looking for. I'm not confident 17s would fit. Where it stands now is everything for my generation MKZ or Fusion is expensive but there is a large supply of previous generation Fusion wheels for significantly less money. The 2013-2016 Fusions have the same size 18" wheels in terms of width, lug pattern, offset, and center bore, but for the 2017 model year (along with my MKZ) they switched from M12 lugs to M14s. I'm currently looking for an example of a previous generation wheel to see if I can fit a 21mm socket in the lug cavity. If it fits, the wheel should work but I'm unwilling to experiment via mail order.

    Quote Originally Posted by Philkinson View Post
    Fwiw I always buy my winter tires on Craigslist or similar. Can usually spend a few hundred on a mounted set vs a thousand plus spare wheels. Had good luck with the ridgeline and the murano
    I've been digging through Craigslist and have found 19" wheels that might fit and 18" tires. I still have plenty of time before I need to pull the trigger.

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    So I found a set of previous generation OEM 19" Lincoln MKZ wheels on Craigslist. While intended for M12 lugs, they fit just fine on my car that uses M14s. I got a great deal on them due to the inner rim on a couple of them being dented from the previous owner hitting something. They are currently at a wheel repair shop local to my work getting straightened. Even paying for straightening, I don't have crazy money tied up in the wheels and I don't have to deal with offset or width issues that are common for almost every aftermarket wheel that works on this car.

    Since I wanted 18s but ended up finding 19s, I'm going to run 245/45R19 tires (factory is 245/40R19) which will give me an extra 1/2 inch of tire around the wheel vs. the factory one. I've heard enough about Nokian from a number of people that I'll be buying the Hakkapeliitta R3.

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    Hakkas FTW! Cheat code enabled!

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    I've been driving on winters all summer so I'm ready...

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshk1025 View Post
    I've been driving on winters all summer so I'm ready...

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    Yeah moms car same thing. But she does <5% highway driving

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsorfas View Post
    Yeah moms car same thing. But she does <5% highway driving
    My daily drive is 2 miles each way on back roads so i do about that. I've only had one hairy incident with them slipping and that was on a curving on ramp going over 60 in rain

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    Did some looking around for winter tires on my Ram. Plan is to mount the winter tires on my factory 20x8.5" wheels, stock tire size is 275/60R20 then get a set of 22x10 SRT10 wheels for the remaining 3 seasons. In searching Discount Tire the only snow tire that is in that size are the Bridgestone Blizzak DMV2. Anyone have any experience with those? Anyone have any thoughts on other options to roll snows on dubs?

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    Re: Snow tires....

    Quote Originally Posted by loudbeard View Post
    Did some looking around for winter tires on my Ram. Plan is to mount the winter tires on my factory 20x8.5" wheels, stock tire size is 275/60R20 then get a set of 22x10 SRT10 wheels for the remaining 3 seasons. In searching Discount Tire the only snow tire that is in that size are the Bridgestone Blizzak DMV2. Anyone have any experience with those? Anyone have any thoughts on other options to roll snows on dubs?
    Is your Ram 2WD? You live on the South Shore, how much snow do you get that a 4WD Ram would need anything more than all seasons on the stock wheels for the winter?

    Unless of course you take the Ram deep into the snow belt on a regular basis, in which case you can ignore the ramblings of the keyboard commando.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tls25rs View Post
    Is your Ram 2WD? You live on the South Shore, how much snow do you get that a 4WD Ram would need anything more than all seasons on the stock wheels for the winter?

    Unless of course you take the Ram deep into the snow belt on a regular basis, in which case you can ignore the ramblings of the keyboard commando.
    It's a 4x4. I don't absolutely have to have snows, but I want them. I frequently have to go into work in the middle of a storm (facilities management is one of my hats) and I'd like to mitigate the chance of wrapping my truck around a phone pole on the way. We usually get around 5 storms per winter here, typically 1 or 2 of them will hit us with 18" or more. My town doesn't heavily salt the roads because we're all on well water so it stays quite messy for a while. I had the truck for 1 storm last year, with the factory all seasons it was garbage even with 4wd, my A4 with Hakka's is laughably better.

    The second option is to forego the SRT wheels and mount a set of A/T tires (likely Falken Wildpeaks) year round. It would be significantly cheaper, but not as good.

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    Depending on tire size, Nokian makes both the Rotiiva AT Plus and WR G3 SUV "All Weather" tires. These tires have the Severe Snow (mountain/snowflake icon) rating and a treadwear rating.

    They also make a couple of Nordman winter tires that are older generation winters, with correspondingly lower prices.

    All-Weather tires - When All-Season tires are letting you down / Nokian Tires

    We buy all our work and personal Nokians at John & Sons Tires in Manchester, NH. I've never compared their prices with Direct Tire, who seems to be the biggest Nokian dealer in MA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    Depending on tire size, Nokian makes both the Rotiiva AT Plus and WR G3 SUV "All Weather" tires. These tires have the Severe Snow (mountain/snowflake icon) rating and a treadwear rating.

    They also make a couple of Nordman winter tires that are older generation winters, with correspondingly lower prices.

    All-Weather tires - When All-Season tires are letting you down / Nokian Tires

    We buy all our work and personal Nokians at John & Sons Tires in Manchester, NH. I've never compared their prices with Direct Tire, who seems to be the biggest Nokian dealer in MA.
    The Rotiiva's seem like a good option, and pricing on them is really nice as well! At around $125/tire it's over $100/tire less expensive than the full snow options I've found so far, very well reviewed for snow performance as well. Thanks!

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    My wife's Armada has the same size tires and there really aren't any options besides the Blizzaks and studded Nokians. I run Michelin Defender LTX M/S all seasons and they perform well enough in the winter that I've never considered getting a set of snows for it. They also wear like iron.

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    I put on a set of Nokian Hakka 9 SUV non studded on my avalanche last year.

    Size is 275 55 20. So slightly smaller but may be close enough


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    Quote Originally Posted by loudbeard View Post
    Did some looking around for winter tires on my Ram. Plan is to mount the winter tires on my factory 20x8.5" wheels, stock tire size is 275/60R20 then get a set of 22x10 SRT10 wheels for the remaining 3 seasons. In searching Discount Tire the only snow tire that is in that size are the Bridgestone Blizzak DMV2. Anyone have any experience with those? Anyone have any thoughts on other options to roll snows on dubs?
    I have the Blizzak DMV2 on my Odyssey. Night and day compared to all seasons. They are great. When I narrowed down my research on Tirerack to these or the Michelin's, the guys at the tirerack said these were unanimously better than the equivalent Michelin.

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    Re: Snow tires....

    Quote Originally Posted by loudbeard View Post
    It's a 4x4. I don't absolutely have to have snows, but I want them. I frequently have to go into work in the middle of a storm (facilities management is one of my hats) and I'd like to mitigate the chance of wrapping my truck around a phone pole on the way. We usually get around 5 storms per winter here, typically 1 or 2 of them will hit us with 18" or more. My town doesn't heavily salt the roads because we're all on well water so it stays quite messy for a while. I had the truck for 1 storm last year, with the factory all seasons it was garbage even with 4wd, my A4 with Hakka's is laughably better.

    The second option is to forego the SRT wheels and mount a set of A/T tires (likely Falken Wildpeaks) year round. It would be significantly cheaper, but not as good.
    Since you have a truck with 4 wheel drive, what about just a more aggressive tire for all season driving? I have Cooper discoverer AT3's on my silverado and they handle excellent in the snow. I have to report for work regardless of weather conditions and they've been very reliable for me. I'm doing about 5 miles surface streets and 12 highway for my ride to work. Haven't had any issues with them in 2 years.

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