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    It's a great engine, I think around 300 hp in that year range, driving easy you could see 20mpg with it (my 02 I had got 21 on the highway), and it's an overbuilt engine, so with care it's good for probably a 400k-500k

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    It will take a stupid amount of nitrous before popping

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    I had an 03 that had the 4.8L in it. Both of those motors are pretty bullet proof. Only did usual maintanence and it ran like a champ until it got wrapped around a tele pole with 150k on it. I wouldn't have been surprised to see at least 250k. The 5.3 will actually give you a little better gas mileage than the 4.8 (probably doesn't struggle quite as much with the weight), and obviously has just a little more go to it.

    As long as it seems to run well, and has been maintained, I would worry more about the rest of the drivetrain (trans, rear end if it has the G80 locker, etc) and what shape the body and everything else is in.

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    Reviews seem very positive of the 5.3 and the 460LE trans. Thanks guys.

    Next question. The truck I'm looking at is down in Jersey. I would basically be buying it sight-unseen. I would do the financing all over the phone, put a deposit over the phone and it would eat up at least a full day to drive down there, look it over etc. Plus I'd need a buddy to come with me. Do you think that's crazy? It's an 03 1500 extended cab long box.

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    Could be rotted right out underneath

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    Could be normal wear and tear or a garaged kept vehicle as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by 01xj View Post
    Could be normal wear and tear or a garaged kept vehicle as well
    Yup. But I wouldnt risk it without looking at it. Our 96 was a rust bucket

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    I'd go look at it before any money changes hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 01xj View Post
    Reviews seem very positive of the 5.3 and the 460LE trans. Thanks guys.

    Next question. The truck I'm looking at is down in Jersey. I would basically be buying it sight-unseen. I would do the financing all over the phone, put a deposit over the phone and it would eat up at least a full day to drive down there, look it over etc. Plus I'd need a buddy to come with me. Do you think that's crazy? It's an 03 1500 extended cab long box.
    I don't think that's at all crazy. I helped a friend buy a boat and transport it home from NJ once, and I went all the way to Indy to buy my boat and drag it home. Road trips are the best. Last month, I bought a loaded 2007 GMC crew cab, short box with a Duramax in Denver. I flew out and drove it back, but had a friend look at it for me and act as my agent in the transaction before I even booked my air fare. I now have a gorgeous, one-owner, rust-free truck for many thousands under book value. Granted, I spent about $1300 on airfare/hotels/fuel/etc. but my wife and I treated it like a mini-vacation and took our time driving back. We toured CO and a bit, met up with old friends, shopped at the American Pickers store in Iowa, had a nice half-day in Chicago, and just thoroughly enjoyed the road trip.



    Have the owner take pictures of the inside bottom of the doors, the cab corners and the rocker panels. That's where they generally start to rust so if those parts are OK, odds are very good that rust won't be an issue. That said, I think that since you are willing to travel and are looking for and older truck, you should look for trucks in states that don't have rust issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xrocket21 View Post
    Yup. But I wouldnt risk it without looking at it. Our 96 was a rust bucket
    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    I'd go look at it before any money changes hands.
    Should have been more clear- all I'm doing is putting a refundable deposit down. So at most, I lose a day and a half a tank of gas in the shit-vic.

    Quote Originally Posted by stoinkythepig View Post
    I don't think that's at all crazy. I helped a friend buy a boat and transport it home from NJ once, and I went all the way to Indy to buy my boat and drag it home. Road trips are the best. Last month, I bought a loaded 2007 GMC crew cab, short box with a Duramax in Denver. I flew out and drove it back, but had a friend look at it for me and act as my agent in the transaction before I even booked my air fare. I now have a gorgeous, one-owner, rust-free truck for many thousands under book value. Granted, I spent about $1300 on airfare/hotels/fuel/etc. but my wife and I treated it like a mini-vacation and took our time driving back. We toured CO and a bit, met up with old friends, shopped at the American Pickers store in Iowa, had a nice half-day in Chicago, and just thoroughly enjoyed the road trip.



    Have the owner take pictures of the inside bottom of the doors, the cab corners and the rocker panels. That's where they generally start to rust so if those parts are OK, odds are very good that rust won't be an issue. That said, I think that since you are willing to travel and are looking for and older truck, you should look for trucks in states that don't have rust issues.
    Ordinarilly I would agree with you but I just drove 3,000 miles down and back to Florida, plus all over the state while there. I'm also using vacation time for a wedding and track days this year. I don't have a lot of liesure time to do a trip like that during this calendar year.

    I'm working with a dealership and they seem "ok" to deal with so far. I get the impression they are used to dealing with people who have shitty credit and are broke. Depending on what they say I may put $ down over the phone and hold the truck until Wednesday.

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    Ordinarilly I would agree with you but I just drove 3,000 miles down and back to Florida, plus all over the state while there. I'm also using vacation time for a wedding and track days this year. I don't have a lot of liesure time to do a trip like that during this calendar year.
    Gotcha, I get 6 weeks vacation plus comp time at work, so taking a few days off is not a big deal for me.

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    Usually I don't need an excuse for a road trip or an adventure, this year is more strict than normal. Sounds like they have a lot of activity on the truck so I may have lost out on this one due to the distance.

    In general, what do you guys think of my plan to buy a truck that's a little bit older but with less mileage? I'm looking at 03/5/5/6/7 1500's and Tahoe's in the 30-60k mile range. Hoping to run it to 200k and then move on. I have a 1.2 mile commute and I also have a beater Honda civic that I run around in. It's my "leave it on the side of the road when it dies" vehicle.

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    You guys have any input on either of these trucks? Both have the 5.3 V8. I'm thinking a day down to Virginia isn't a bad ride and they are far enough away from the rust belt that wasting a day could buy me some time on the life of the truck. New trucks are out of the question since I don't want to deal with the payment.

    2005 GMC Sierra 1500 Extended Cab, $13,995 - Cars.com

    2004 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 , $14,000 - Cars.com

    These are essentially the same truck.

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    We just went through the "heavy hauler" exercise as my wife wanted to join a local sailboat racing fleet. They sail Thunderbirds, which are old, odd, slow, 26' boats made mostly in the 80's in Canada. As a result, they are ridiculously cheap: cheap as in an entire boat with sails, outboard, and trailer is less than $5,000. These boats are around 6,000 lbs on the trailer (double axle rated 8K), and like most keelboats sit way up in the airstream.

    We've towed sailboats 10's of thousands of miles over the years. Until April we had the perfect hauler for this, one that I'd personally speced out and ordered: Transit T250 with 3.5L EcoBoost [awesome motor], 31 gallon fuel tank, 3.42, integrated controller, transmission cooler, GPS, wide mirrors, etc. But it went with the company.

    Our first choice was initially a 3/4 ton pickup, as we'd pretty much only use it for towing and hauling. Second choice was another 250/2500 series cargo van, as we'd owned three and they are great for this task.

    Either of those choices meant my wife would still have to keep her Honda Odyssey for kid hauling duties (as in, kid plus three friends plus brother or sister plus dog). The Odyssey is fantastic for this.

    If we instead got a big body-on-frame SUV, we could ditch the Odyssey and tow this thing as required (and, since my wife won't read this, I hope an enclosed MC trailer some day!). Anticipating this need, in June we'd rented a Toyota Sequoia (V8, 4WD) for a week. It was OK as a family hauler and the 5.7 has an excellent reputation for towing, but they are scarce as hen's teeth used. The latest Ford Expedition has the 3.5 EcoBoost and was a candidate even though friends haven't had good luck with the body and drive.

    Our next choice was a late model Yukon with a 6.2 V8 - also rare used. We compromised with a [2016] Tahoe with the max towing package.

    The 2015+ Tahoe is based on the latest C/K pickup platform and comes standard with an external oil cooler, external transmission cooler, and "heavy duty" rear locking differential. The "Max Towing" package adds 3.42 axle ratio, two speed transfer case with low range, hitch with integrated lighting and an electric tow controller (stopping is a Good Thing). Max tow rating is 8,400. Tow ratings are nearly complete bullshit but we know lots of people who tow this size/weight trailer with no issues. Ground clearance 7.9", a good number for snow performance with compromising handling or ingress/egress.

    The standard engine is the 5.3L V8, now rated at 355hp and 383 lb ft of torque. This sounds like a lot, but it's in a 5,600 lb vehicle. We investigated reports of excessive oil consumption in 5.3's and it seems GM remedied it in 2024. I suspect the city mpg will be horrifying: the Sequoia averaged 13 vs 18 for the Odyssey.

    My wife has to live with it, and that's where the latest gen (2015 on) is much improved. It is just under one inch longer and wider than the Odyssey and the turning radius is actually smaller. Has a rear backup camera and tons of electronic doodads. We purchased a used 2016 private sale, and pick it up next week.

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    Pretty sure those big gm suvs are the same drivetrain and similar running gear as the half ton pickups. Not the 3/4 ton.

    I'm driving a 15 Silverado with the 5.3l. Loving the drivetrain. I get low 20's on my highway commute all the time. Mine has a computer controlled awd and is great in the snow. I haven't towed more than 3k yet. But it tows well.

    Complaints are it is a bitch to park. Turning radius sucks and it feels like an aircraft carrier from the driver seat. But the backup camera is titties. Second problem is the center dash display started going in and out. So no backup camera half the time now. Haven't had the down time for the dealer to diagnose.

    Missus and I are half considering a camper. I thought I was capped at 7k lbs. was surprised to check the manual and find it said 9k and change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    We purchased a used 2016 private sale, and pick it up next week.
    A what, Toyota?

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    My fuckin raptor is beastmode. intake, minor exhaust mod and crank up the boost and its a 500+ hp monster that will float all 4 tires off the ground and not give a fuck. Shit is BANANAS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHd6 View Post
    A what, Toyota?
    I'm guessing a Tahoe.

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    I'm guessing a Tahoe.
    Oh ok.
    The, "I suspect the city mpg will be horrifying" comment made me think that was off the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    We just went through the "heavy hauler" exercise as my wife wanted to join a local sailboat racing fleet. They sail Thunderbirds, which are old, odd, slow, 26' boats made mostly in the 80's in Canada. As a result, they are ridiculously cheap: cheap as in an entire boat with sails, outboard, and trailer is less than $5,000. These boats are around 6,000 lbs on the trailer (double axle rated 8K), and like most keelboats sit way up in the airstream.

    We've towed sailboats 10's of thousands of miles over the years. Until April we had the perfect hauler for this, one that I'd personally speced out and ordered: Transit T250 with 3.5L EcoBoost [awesome motor], 31 gallon fuel tank, 3.42, integrated controller, transmission cooler, GPS, wide mirrors, etc. But it went with the company.

    Our first choice was initially a 3/4 ton pickup, as we'd pretty much only use it for towing and hauling. Second choice was another 250/2500 series cargo van, as we'd owned three and they are great for this task.

    Either of those choices meant my wife would still have to keep her Honda Odyssey for kid hauling duties (as in, kid plus three friends plus brother or sister plus dog). The Odyssey is fantastic for this.

    If we instead got a big body-on-frame SUV, we could ditch the Odyssey and tow this thing as required (and, since my wife won't read this, I hope an enclosed MC trailer some day!). Anticipating this need, in June we'd rented a Toyota Sequoia (V8, 4WD) for a week. It was OK as a family hauler and the 5.7 has an excellent reputation for towing, but they are scarce as hen's teeth used. The latest Ford Expedition has the 3.5 EcoBoost and was a candidate even though friends haven't had good luck with the body and drive.

    Our next choice was a late model Yukon with a 6.2 V8 - also rare used. We compromised with a Tahoe with the max towing package.

    The 2015+ Tahoe is based on the latest C/K pickup platform and comes standard with an external oil cooler, external transmission cooler, and "heavy duty" rear locking differential. The "Max Towing" package adds 3.42 axle ratio, two speed transfer case with low range, hitch with integrated lighting and an electric tow controller (stopping is a Good Thing). Max tow rating is 8,400. Tow ratings are nearly complete bullshit but we know lots of people who tow this size/weight trailer with no issues. Ground clearance 7.9", a good number for snow performance with compromising handling or ingress/egress.

    The standard engine is the 5.3L V8, now rated at 355hp and 383 lb ft of torque. This sounds like a lot, but it's in a 5,600 lb vehicle. We investigated reports of excessive oil consumption in 5.3's and it seems GM remedied it in 2024. I suspect the city mpg will be horrifying: the Sequoia averaged 13 vs 18 for the Odyssey.

    My wife has to live with it, and that's where the latest gen (2015 on) is much improved. It is just under one inch longer and wider than the Odyssey and the turning radius is actually smaller. Has a rear backup camera and tons of electronic doodads. We purchased a used 2016 private sale, and pick it up next week.
    The 5.3l will do better on gas than a Sequoia. It should tow 6k just fine as well. If you towed with the 3/4 van you should have a good idea what the towing experience will be like.

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    The Express had a 4.8 and didn't like anything over 5500 if there were a lot of hills. You could pull them, but it worked hard. Stopped just fine, which is probably more important.
    Quote Originally Posted by GearHd6 View Post
    Oh ok.
    The, "I suspect the city mpg will be horrifying" comment made me think that was off the table.
    On Fuelly they are averaging 16.5, about the same as the Silverado upon which they are based, or the Sequoia.

    The flip side is that even when you live in the city, you don't drive many miles in city traffic. We average 12.5 or so mpg in our H6's OBW (now with corrected trip computer) bringing our kids to school. It's a 12.8 mile loop that takes 50 minutes during rush hour, or about 15mph average, with lots of that time idling at lights. So even though mpg sucks, it's still only 5 gallons a week, or about the price of 5 T rides.

    Point that OBW up Route 1 N after dropping them off, and the average is 16.5-18mpg by the time we get to Saugus for that same distance. Drive state highways with 55mph limit and we get 27-29.

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    Look up the GM corporate used car site

    seems better deals and usually 1 to 2 years old

    Dont be lazy get one south of the salt zone

    Be very wary there are over a million flood cars hitting the markets, saw pictures of entire dealer lots with "new" cars with their doors open
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    Picked it up yesterday. Glad my wife will DD it: lots better than older pickups, but you can't hide a beam axle and massive unsprung weight. The Odyssey can drive rings around it (but can't tow much, so moot point).

    Remember the bad old days of GM? On the way to get it inspected, the right rear turn signal stopped working. The 2015+ has four fuse boxes: one underhood, one on each end of the dash, and a rear box. There were no fuses labeled "turn signal." BPO called a friend who is a Chevy tech, turns out it is a 15A fuse in the box on the right end of the dash labeled "BCM [Body Control Module] 7."

    Spare fuses? Yes - in the fuse box on the left end of the dash.

    Anyone install a behind-grill LED light bar on a 2015+ GM 1500? Not a big priority but I'd like to augment the high beams.

    Tow hitch is 22" from the ground, just ordered two draw bars with 4" and 8" drop to make sure the trailer is somewhat level. Also ordered 7-4 pin and 7-5 pin adapters. Really like the hitch integrated into the bumper, line of instruments across top of binnacle, and location and function of integrated brake controller.

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    I've not found need for additional lighting. Lights are good by my eye.

    I also like the integrated brake controller. Although I've yet to tow a trailer with brakes.

    My 1500 has 7 and 4 pin plugs right on the bumper. Factory installed.

    I jumped from a fwd "sporty" car to my 1500 4WD and think it handles pretty well. Love the steering. Much better than the Old over done gm power steering.

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    the new gen Tahoe and burb get crazy highway mpg numbers.

    my boss drives tahoes in the summer and burbs in the winter for skiing. and they pull down 22-24 mpg all day on the highway.

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