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    Quote Originally Posted by Vovchandr View Post

    Fun fact: If the server ends up making below minimum wage after tips are accounted for, restaurant is responsible for paying out at least a minimum wage. Whether that reflects poorly on the server or whether the restaurants ever honor that is a different discussion. Point is, servers are legally protected to at least making a "living" minimal wage, so you're never responsible for a person having $0 paycheck in the end.
    Most servers don't realize that and many restaurants don't honor that. Serving is not a profession that rocking the boat with management leads to anything good most of the time either. It's "minimum" wage the restaurant has to make it up to, not "living" wage. They are very different things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Degsy View Post
    Most servers don't realize that and many restaurants don't honor that. Serving is not a profession that rocking the boat with management leads to anything good most of the time either. It's "minimum" wage the restaurant has to make it up to, not "living" wage. They are very different things.
    I understand that, however it's still a fact and it's not my job as a hungry customer going into a random diner establishment to figure out whether this restaurant management is good or not. It also shouldn't be my job to play a part into what hourly wage of the employee in front of me turns out to be for that hour.

    Don't say they won't honor the law, that just silly. One complaint to the labor board and they would honor it immediately. Fact that server would have to find another job isn't an argument. If a job is abusing labor laws it's not something that's "hard to enforce". After a few abuses, tips will be the least of the problems of the establishment.

    Again, minimum wage vs "living" wage is a different argument. If a restaurant wasn't busy that month and the server ended up only making ~minimum wage after tips what happens then?

    Us good customers who end up tipping ~20% as standard practice are bearing the burden of the dick customers who don't tip regardless of quality of service in order to make sure that the server ends up with a pretty reasonable above the minimum wage pay check, largely tax free cash at the end of the week.

    You do realize how asinine that system sounds?

    I literally could never tip in my life ever at any place I'm not a regular at it would have Zero effect on my life and you'll be picking up my slack when you go out? You think all those drivers you see on daily basis that drive like complete assholes and have no regard for other people, empathy or sympathy really care what the paycheck of their server looks like on a voluntary basis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vovchandr View Post
    I understand that, however it's still a fact and it's not my job as a hungry customer going into a random diner establishment to figure out whether this restaurant management is good or not. It also shouldn't be my job to play a part into what hourly wage of the employee in front of me turns out to be for that hour.

    Don't say they won't honor the law, that just silly. One complaint to the labor board and they would honor it immediately. Fact that server would have to find another job isn't an argument. If a job is abusing labor laws it's not something that's "hard to enforce". After a few abuses, tips will be the least of the problems of the establishment.

    Again, minimum wage vs "living" wage is a different argument. If a restaurant wasn't busy that month and the server ended up only making ~minimum wage after tips what happens then?

    Us good customers who end up tipping ~20% as standard practice are bearing the burden of the dick customers who don't tip regardless of quality of service in order to make sure that the server ends up with a pretty reasonable above the minimum wage pay check, largely tax free cash at the end of the week.

    You do realize how asinine that system sounds?

    I literally could never tip in my life ever at any place I'm not a regular at it would have Zero effect on my life and you'll be picking up my slack when you go out? You think all those drivers you see on daily basis that drive like complete assholes and have no regard for other people, empathy or sympathy really care what the paycheck of their server looks like on a voluntary basis?
    Can that server then get another job at a different restaurant? Sometimes laws say things and the real world looks very different. If a server knows that reporting their boss means that they don't work as a server again, that's not a risk that a lot of people could take.

    for the record, I've never worked as a server or at a restaurant, so I've got no clue - whistleblowing type laws tend to be a bit lacking though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshk1025 View Post
    Can that server then get another job at a different restaurant? Sometimes laws say things and the real world looks very different. If a server knows that reporting their boss means that they don't work as a server again, that's not a risk that a lot of people could take.

    for the record, I've never worked as a server or at a restaurant, so I've got no clue - whistleblowing type laws tend to be a bit lacking though.
    It's a server job... if a server can't find another restaurant to work at he wasn't much of a server.

    On top of that, a job legally can't say anything more than whether you worked there and how long. THATS it. HR takes this stuff seriously and most managers aren't willing to lose their jobs over something they have to do all year long (confirm job history if called). Plus how many restaurants will actually call to verify server history? Either he's telling the truth and actually knows how to take orders and has done it before or he/she isn't. It would be fairly obvious without a damn background check.

    That's like saying, if your job stops paying you now or starts shorting you on your paychecks, are you afraid of getting your money or ever getting a job again?


    Regardless this whole thing is a a moot point. How many servers do you know that bring home less than ~$28 after a 4 hour shift? Thats serving 3 $50 tables at 20% tip..

    This is why this point was brought up to begin with. This isn't a clause that ever needs to utilized as it essentially never happens. If a place is so slow that they dont serve ~3 tables in 4 hours they go to another place or the place closes down due to lack of business.



    Point stands, tipping is a stupid custom that doesn't follow any good logic, but brings in so much money to waiters that they don't question it and just go with it.


    I'm sure this "professional server" has earned this $7300 gratuity all day long bringing the plates around. Much more so than any other server at any other restaurant or better yet, more than other servers at that same restaurant that day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vovchandr View Post
    It's a server job... if a server can't find another restaurant to work at he wasn't much of a server.

    On top of that, a job legally can't say anything more than whether you worked there and how long. THATS it. HR takes this stuff seriously and most managers aren't willing to lose their jobs over something they have to do all year long (confirm job history if called). Plus how many restaurants will actually call to verify server history? Either he's telling the truth and actually knows how to take orders and has done it before or he/she isn't. It would be fairly obvious without a damn background check.

    That's like saying, if your job stops paying you now or starts shorting you on your paychecks, are you afraid of getting your money or ever getting a job again?


    Regardless this whole thing is a a moot point. How many servers do you know that bring home less than ~$28 after a 4 hour shift? Thats serving 3 $50 tables at 20% tip..

    This is why this point was brought up to begin with. This isn't a clause that ever needs to utilized as it essentially never happens. If a place is so slow that they dont serve ~3 tables in 4 hours they go to another place or the place closes down due to lack of business.



    Point stands, tipping is a stupid custom that doesn't follow any good logic, but brings in so much money to waiters that they don't question it and just go with it.


    I'm sure this "professional server" has earned this $7300 gratuity all day long bringing the plates around. Much more so than any other server at any other restaurant or better yet, more than other servers at that same restaurant that day.

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    I definitely would prefer to see our custom change to match other parts of the world. It's really nice to go out to eat in Europe or Asia and not have that extra 20-25% tacked on at the end.

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    I factor tipping into the expense of going out to eat. I already pay a mandated sales tax to the state govt on virtually everything I buy and I don't particularly like doing that... But I'd be a FUCKING ASSHOLE if I didn't pay a little "service tax" that goes directly to the restaurant staff who are already underpaid as it is, when they treated me well, brought me food and cleaned up after me.

    I don't factor sales tax when calculating tip so I generally tip 20% of the total purchase (minus sales tax) and a minimum of 5 bucks if it's less than a 25 dollar tab (... unless I just get drinks at the bar, in which case I generally tip a buck a drink).

    What you do is totally up to you and fully within your right to do... but I might judge you a little based on the choice you make.


    Side note: I worked as a waiter for about 3 years in college so I know the bullshit they have to put up with and I generally treat them with understanding and kindness until they give me a reason to treat them differently...

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    Re: Tipping at Restaurants

    Quote Originally Posted by MUZ720 View Post
    A lot of places put tips in a pool so the people busing tables and or the bar tender get a share...
    Typical practice is, when you cash out, a manager pulls up your sales numbers for the night.... You hand the manager whatever you owe the house for cash sales, minus your CC tips.... what you have left over in your hand is the money that you collected from all of your cash and CC tips... From that you give the Hosts/Hostesses W%, the Food Runners X%, the Dishwashers Y% and the Cooks Z% of those total sales numbers. The rest is what you get to go home with.

    So let's say I had a good night and ended up with:
    1000 bucks in cash sales
    200 bucks in cash tips
    1000 bucks in CC sales
    200 bucks in CC tips

    That means I walk up to my manager with 1200 bucks in cash in my pocket.... I owe the manager 1000 bucks for the CC sales but the manger owes me 200 bucks for the CC tips... So I hand them 1000-200 which is 800 bucks. That leaves me with 400 bucks in my hand. Then I give the Hosts/hostesses, runners, dishwashers & cooks a few bucks & go home with about 300 bucks in cash depending on the "house percentages".

    200 bucks of that were tips from CC's, so I have to pay income tax on that... the other 100 bucks I get kinda/sorta tax free, but not really cuz you gotta claim something for cash tips or else the IRS comes after you... which is why I try to tip cash if I have some in my pocket.

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    I tipped a waitress once. When she managed to get up, she was pissed!

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    when did it become PC to call them "servers" instead of waiter/waitresses ?

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    Re: Tipping at Restaurants

    Quote Originally Posted by RandyO View Post
    when did it become PC to call them "servers" instead of waiter/waitresses ?
    Well since waiter and waitress are gender-specific terms, and gender isn’t a thing anymore, “server” is a more appropriate all-encompassing term.

    Back when I was in high school and working at Dunlop Donuts, my title was either Counter Coffee Bitch or Drive Thru Coffee Bitch. Now they’re called “baristas”... ooh la la

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    Bump.

    Are we tipping at 25% yet as the new normal? Is 30% on the horizon? When did 10% become frowned upon?

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    Re: Tipping at Restaurants

    Quote Originally Posted by Vovchandr View Post
    Bump.

    Are we tipping at 25% yet as the new normal? Is 30% on the horizon? When did 10% become frowned upon?
    I used to be 20% sitting down for a meal. Still am.
    For takeout, I used to just leave a couple bucks, now I do the full 20%.
    If 25% is the new standard...I'll increase.

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    I don't do % if I did, it would likely end up 50% sometimes like $10 on a $20 tab, a $100 tab would certainly be more than $20

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    I don't do % if I did, it would likely end up 50% sometimes like $10 on a $20 tab, a $100 tab would certainly be more than $20

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    I don't do % if I did, it would likely end up 50% sometimes like $10 on a $20 tab, a $100 tab would certainly be more than $20

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    Re: Tipping at Restaurants

    I ate out this past weekend and got terrible service. The waitress ended up having a portable CC machine at the end. After swiping my card I only had the option to tip 18%, 20%, 25%, or "Enter Tip Amount". I wanted to enter a custom amount but it was somewhat awkward bc she was staring right at machine the whole time and I was already late to an appointment to sit there and type out something different. I left 18% but will not be returning to the restaurant.

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    Tipping at Restaurants

    I typically tip 15-20% for take-out, 20-25% for sit-down, and generally 5 bucks minimum (of course less if they suck).

    And I generally go out of my way to be a pleasant mother fucker... which is usually what I get in return from them.

    Funny how that works, eh?

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    Usually 25 -30% for dining in. Don't tip for takeout.

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    Re: Tipping at Restaurants

    So in regards to take out...
    You go to a pizza joint. Call ahead for a large pie and a hoagie ( or a sub round here)
    You pick up at the counter.
    Do you tip? and what %


    I don't.
    I could see tipping on take out if its a complicated dinner, Ni ce joint with a hostess in a tight sweater and cold AC blowing on her. They put the cold food in one container, little baggy with utensils and sauces, every food in a different container.

    But if its a simple put it in a bag. No

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    Re: Tipping at Restaurants

    I'm tipping 15% or more on takeouts, and 30% or more for dine-in these days, just because this whole COVID thing has really taken a toll on the whole industry, and I want to still have some places to go left when this is all over.

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    Re: Tipping at Restaurants

    Quote Originally Posted by MUZ720 View Post
    The wife and I go out to eat once a week or so for date nights. Eating out is an expensive proposition theses days even with only having one drink. So we are even thinking about cutting back on the frequency as is. Ok so a couple of questions. 1st is 20% the new normal for dinner? For good service. Of course we adjust for better than good or worse... I am talking full meals here not just a drink at the bar.. And we have also started tipping per tax. Does anyone else do that? I mean the meal is x why should I pay the extra for the state added dollars!
    0.20 x 0.06.25 = 0.0125

    So, no. We round off to the nearest dollar, which is likely more or less than the difference. Same in NH or VT where it is 9%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OreoGaborio View Post
    And I generally go out of my way to be a pleasant mother fucker... which is typically what I get in return from them.
    I recently got called out for being "exceptionally polite" to someone calling an order in to our local pizza joint ordering takeout. I still can't tell if she was being sarcastic or if everyone around here is just a flaming asshole.

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    Re: Tipping at Restaurants

    I'll continue to be a 20%er. There are exceptions, of course (just stopping for a couple quick beers, etc). But that's where I start. I base it off the TOTAL tab, even though meals tax is small and the only tax we pay in NH on that. It'll only go down from there, BUT it's all on the waitress/waiter. If THEY do THEIR job well, they'll get the full amount. I don't punish the waitress/waiter for a bad meal as they have very little to do with it.

    I'm not at all shy about tipping a certain cook or bartender above & beyond what I've already left for the table help. If I'm not allowed to tip them personally, I'll let the waitress/waiter know I'll be watching as they take that portion to the proper avenue. But their tip isn't effected by that. Yeah, I know many times it's all pooled together. It's just the way I like doing it to let the proper people know they done good.

    I almost always pay with credit/debit cards, but always try to tip in cash. In NH, it's pretty common NOT to claim cash tips. Credit card tips leave a trail that pretty much forces them into claiming it.

    That said, I'm incredibly easy to please when it comes to serving me/us. We're not very picky, and years & years of smoking cigarettes left my tastebuds pretty bland (haven't smoked in what's gotta be well over 10 years now). I *CAN* be a bitch about cocktails though. I like to "niccchhhkkk" my first couple sips and I'm always certain to let the help know that.

    And no, I'm not arguing any point of this post with anyone...

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    Re: Tipping at Restaurants

    I left 15% last night at hooters because the server wouldnt refill our soft drinks. Cost her about $3 in tip money for letting me leave thirsty.

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    I've been traveling 70% since November; lots of eating out, lots of GrubHub to the hotel. My new rule of thumb is 20% then round up to the nearest 5. I like to think it makes a difference to someone, maybe that someone is just my inner virtue signaler.

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    I do 20% and round up a buck or 2 depending on service for dine in. Take out, a few bucks....

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