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Tractors - Educate me

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    Re: Tractors - Educate me


    Possible air bubble/cavitation due to the thickening of the hydraulic oil due to temp?

    Or, you had water in the system in an unimportant location, it melted from the previous use, but froze in a much worse spot this time (like in the pump, pickup, filter, or controls).

    Can you drag it into your barn to let it thaw?

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    Re: Tractors - Educate me

    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    Possible air bubble/cavitation due to the thickening of the hydraulic oil due to temp?

    Or, you had water in the system in an unimportant location, it melted from the previous use, but froze in a much worse spot this time (like in the pump, pickup, filter, or controls).

    Can you drag it into your barn to let it thaw?

    your water theory sounds most plausible, stabilizers are down, boom and dipper are stretched out, bucket is half curled resting on ground, all at about 20 degree alignment from the toe-hoe axis..... drag it, no it don't move without a much bigger machine

    1. wait for a warm day

    2. build a campfire under it

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    Re: Tractors - Educate me

    Does the tow-hoe use a fixed displacement pump with open center valves? If so, can you tell if oil is circulating in the tank?

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    If you have an open system where the pump pulls from a tank, you can get hydraulic gumming from the low temps. The pump will not pull any fluid due to the viscosity. Was the hoe stored inside the day before when you got it out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyO View Post
    your water theory sounds most plausible, stabilizers are down, boom and dipper are stretched out, bucket is half curled resting on ground, all at about 20 degree alignment from the toe-hoe axis..... drag it, no it don't move without a much bigger machine

    1. wait for a warm day

    2. build a campfire under it

    Sounds like you could use a tractor to pick that thing up and bring it into the barn.


    The other possibility is that your reservoir is too low if you are at max extension for a lot of those cylinders. Less likely, but can't hurt to take a look. Pull the filter and see if there is significant blockage as well.

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    Any chance it's simply frozen to the ground?


    And did you try 2wd?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    Sounds like you could use a tractor to pick that thing up and bring it into the barn.


    The other possibility is that your reservoir is too low if you are at max extension for a lot of those cylinders. Less likely, but can't hurt to take a look. Pull the filter and see if there is significant blockage as well.
    I would need a barn to bring it into, my "barn" is still set up as office, and loft is 100 years of survey records.


    the way it is stretched out, it would be awkward to move, would require a 225CAT sized excavator, and would only end up in the way....it's stretched out, but out of the way, it will stay where it is till I get the hydraulics running. It needs a filter and fluid change anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by butcher bergs View Post
    Any chance it's simply frozen to the ground?


    And did you try 2wd?

    gosh, I didn't think of 2wd


    yes, frozen a bit, but the bucket I just resting on the ground, not frozen from curling

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyO View Post
    It needs a filter and fluid change anyway.
    Then I'm thinking water in the system. Should have a day soon where it'll get thawed, or close to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    Then I'm thinking water in the system. Should have a day soon where it'll get thawed, or close to it.
    I picked up a filter and a pail of fluid, (specs say is only takes 5 gallons) and just haven't got to it. in the meantime, I've had a couple leaks (a couple of the hoses tend to loosen) I have used some, so, I gotta buy another pail

    the pia is that there is no drain plug in the reservoir, gotta disconnect the lower hydraulic hose (not an easy task due to the short length to bend it out of the way). I'm thinking I want to drill a drain plug hole, tap it and put a drain plug in

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    Look into a boat oil change pump.

    They're designed to pull engine oil through the dipstick. Might be helpful in pulling hydro fluid from the reservoir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by butcher bergs View Post
    Look into a boat oil change pump.

    They're designed to pull engine oil through the dipstick. Might be helpful in pulling hydro fluid from the reservoir.
    Def helpful when the oil runs easy, but I'd worry about how well it would work with the cold hydraulic oil being as thick as it is. The suction tube is tiny which makes it all the harder to pull molasses through. I did a diff/trans/transfer case fluid change using a manual plunger style oil sucker with a 1/2" hose when the temp was in the teens previously. Misery. If he can get the fluid warm, it should work well.

    You need heat, Randy. Got a propane bullet heater and some scraps of plywood to box the heat in?

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    molasses?, it's only 10w, hydraulic fluid, not gear oil


    propane heater... nope, but I got a 175,000 btu kerosene heater, maybe I could built a tent

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    this is my Toe-Hoe, marketed as "Muscle Man" in UK, and "Cricket" in US & Canada

    Tow-Hoe, Muscleman, Digger, Excavator, Backhoe

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyO View Post
    molasses?, it's only 10w, hydraulic fluid, not gear oil


    propane heater... nope, but I got a 175,000 btu kerosene heater, maybe I could built a tent
    dump some 911 diesel fuel conditioner in.

    throw a tarp over it with a tiger torch or your kero heater.

    id carefully use a propane torch on some stuff with it running and the 911

    I've done a fire under equipment before but only on something really big like a 3-5 yard loader.

    tiger torch and a tarp works really well so does the 911

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    Randy,
    I'm around if you need equipment on site.

    Not sure how critical your situation but figured I'd throw the option out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by butcher bergs View Post
    Randy,
    I'm around if you need equipment on site.

    Not sure how critical your situation but figured I'd throw the option out there.


    it's not critical, infact, more out of way than where I had it stored for the winter, I'd just like to replace the fill over my septic tank cover, and return it to transport mode (requires lifting each side and moving the wheels to the rear axis, and stabilizer to the front axis using the boom), then I'd leave it parked right where it is, I can get at it with my UTV

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