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    Does anyone know a place or person that can offer help filling out the application for a VT registration? I seem to be in a grey area for a lot of things on it and i could use some help filling it out. I will be using it to legalize a few vehicles i have imported from Europe so i want to make sure its done right. I am doing a test run with what i think is the easier vehicle to make legal then i will move on to the harder ones. First up is my NSR.
    Normally i would go through Mass for this but you really need to be able to do a face to face application with them and they no longer allow that so you have to send all your documents in and they will decide without your involvement which i know wont go well. Its frustrating enough to do it in person, doing it via mail would be next to impossible i would guess.

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    Re: Vermont registration help

    I have a in person appointment for registrations on 9-16-2021 and would be willing to be your agent . Send me a PM if that would help you out .

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    VT is easy, don't sweat it. They have a website that tells you what you will need: https://appengine.egov.com/apps/vt/D...ocumentswizard

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    Re: Vermont registration help

    One important issue to keep in mind, VT doesn’t issue titles to vehicles/motorcycles 15 years old and older. Many states require a title for anything 20 years and newer, so there’s a 5 year gap with no titles. I recently had an issue trying to register a 16 year old bike in RI with a vt prior registration, and it was a no go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePackage View Post
    VT is easy, don't sweat it. They have a website that tells you what you will need: https://appengine.egov.com/apps/vt/D...ocumentswizard
    So that list doesnt quite cover my process. I will be using VT as an import state basically so there is extra paperwork needed. The question is which ones and how to fill them out. One particular issue is they require a bill or sale or previous registration from the previous owner in said country. The grey area i am concerned about with that is technically i am the PO since i was using it prior to shipping over here. Now the question is will they accept me as the PO or do they want the actual PO from when i bought the motorcycle 6 or 7 years ago.

    I also have some confusion about the requirements for things related to size. Like i am registering a 125cc bike that is 30 years old. One bit of requirements say i need all sorts of documents and another says i need other documents because its being imported but there is no clear path. A lot of information is contradictory to me. Even if you follow that link i end up being told i need a visual vin inspection then it says its being suspended due to covid but the very next line is the link to the paperwork for it. Of course it being a 125cc bike means i shouldnt need it anyway but the importation part of it says i do.

    Maybe im over thinking things.

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    Re: Vermont registration help

    Quote Originally Posted by R7 View Post
    One important issue to keep in mind, VT doesn’t issue titles to vehicles/motorcycles 15 years old and older. Many states require a title for anything 20 years and newer, so there’s a 5 year gap with no titles. I recently had an issue trying to register a 16 year old bike in RI with a vt prior registration, and it was a no go.
    no worries on that i think. One bike is 30 years old, another is nearly 100 years old and one car is 30 years old.

    You can just keep renewing the vt reg and plate anyway if its an issue right?

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    Re: Vermont registration help

    Quote Originally Posted by R7 View Post
    One important issue to keep in mind, VT doesn’t issue titles to vehicles/motorcycles 15 years old and older. Many states require a title for anything 20 years and newer, so there’s a 5 year gap with no titles. I recently had an issue trying to register a 16 year old bike in RI with a vt prior registration, and it was a no go.
    RI shouldn't be able to refuse, you've got valid VT documentation, VT is a no title state, RI has to accept what VT offers. I've forced Maine to do the same with other vehicles that came from no title regions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boosten lebaron View Post
    no worries on that i think. One bike is 30 years old, another is nearly 100 years old and one car is 30 years old.

    You can just keep renewing the vt reg and plate anyway if its an issue right?
    Yes, you can. The issue is if you go to sell it, which was my plan when I was going to register in VT

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurlon View Post
    RI shouldn't be able to refuse, you've got valid VT documentation, VT is a no title state, RI has to accept what VT offers. I've forced Maine to do the same with other vehicles that came from no title regions.
    It's easy to say that, and in theory you are correct. I tried in RI, they said no, I had a close contact in Florida, they said no, I had a close contact in Az, they said no. Vt is a title state, they just limit the years required.

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    Re: Vermont registration help

    Quote Originally Posted by boosten lebaron View Post
    So that list doesnt quite cover my process. I will be using VT as an import state basically so there is extra paperwork needed. The question is which ones and how to fill them out. One particular issue is they require a bill or sale or previous registration from the previous owner in said country. The grey area i am concerned about with that is technically i am the PO since i was using it prior to shipping over here. Now the question is will they accept me as the PO or do they want the actual PO from when i bought the motorcycle 6 or 7 years ago.

    I also have some confusion about the requirements for things related to size. Like i am registering a 125cc bike that is 30 years old. One bit of requirements say i need all sorts of documents and another says i need other documents because its being imported but there is no clear path. A lot of information is contradictory to me. Even if you follow that link i end up being told i need a visual vin inspection then it says its being suspended due to covid but the very next line is the link to the paperwork for it. Of course it being a 125cc bike means i shouldnt need it anyway but the importation part of it says i do.

    Maybe im over thinking things.

    125cc is under 300cc. Hence it is Non-Titleable. And no VIN verification thanks to COVID. So just go and register it. Fill out VD-119 and VT-005. For the bill of sale:

    Bill of sale must contain sufficient information to identify the
    vehicle including Make, Year, VIN, Purchase Price,
    Mileage, Signature of Seller and Date of Sale

    Phone a friend, ANY friend, and have them help you on the bill of sale if you can't get in touch with the previous owner.

    Then just print out the NADA price, calculate the taxes and registration fees,
    https://dmv.vermont.gov/registrations/fees

    and put everything in an envelope with a check and mail it to the Montpelier Main Office. Takes about 6 weeks to get a plate and another 3-4 weeks for a sticker.

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    Re: Vermont registration help

    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePackage View Post
    125cc is under 300cc. Hence it is Non-Titleable. And no VIN verification thanks to COVID. So just go and register it. Fill out VD-119 and VT-005. For the bill of sale:

    Bill of sale must contain sufficient information to identify the
    vehicle including Make, Year, VIN, Purchase Price,
    Mileage, Signature of Seller and Date of Sale

    Phone a friend, ANY friend, and have them help you on the bill of sale if you can't get in touch with the previous owner.

    Then just print out the NADA price, calculate the taxes and registration fees,
    https://dmv.vermont.gov/registrations/fees

    and put everything in an envelope with a check and mail it to the Montpelier Main Office. Takes about 6 weeks to get a plate and another 3-4 weeks for a sticker.
    Ok. So my vehicles are imports so no NADA guide pricing. Is there a work around for that? Like a flat fee?

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    It would be based on purchase price. You can call them and they will tell you everything you need to know and even calculate the tax and fees for you.
    https://dmv.vermont.gov/contact/phone-numbers

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePackage View Post
    It would be based on purchase price. You can call them and they will tell you everything you need to know and even calculate the tax and fees for you.
    https://dmv.vermont.gov/contact/phone-numbers

    Thanks for the help. I called them today and while i had to wait well over an hour to talk to them they did answer all my questions. Basically i just need the vd-119 form and a bill of sale. My biggest question was in regards to whether if i am the previous owner since i have owned these for a long time in different countries and they confirmed that the previous owner requirement is for the last owner prior to myself. Its not a huge deal to me since i am still in touch with the various previous owners.
    The fee's are calculated off the value i assign the vehicles which traces back to the value i assigned them when i shipped them over if anyone was curious.

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    Re: Vermont registration help

    Whats the trick to getting insurance with the vt plates? I can't find a mass insurer that will cover me for out of state plates and others are requiring me to have a vt address to garage the vehicles. I haven't actually gotten the plates yet so I still have some time to figure something out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boosten lebaron View Post
    Whats the trick to getting insurance with the vt plates? I can't find a mass insurer that will cover me for out of state plates and others are requiring me to have a vt address to garage the vehicles. I haven't actually gotten the plates yet so I still have some time to figure something out.
    your situation confuses them too much from their daily grind. all you really need to buy insurance is a VIN and money. it will be easier if you did it all online. https://buy.geico.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePackage View Post
    your situation confuses them too much from their daily grind. all you really need to buy insurance is a VIN and money. it will be easier if you did it all online. https://buy.geico.com
    You're correct it confuses them because the VT loophole isn't technically legal and your insurance can be denied in an accident if they find out and want to be dicks in case of accident.

    Your registration, residency and insurance are all supposed to be matched in the same state.

    Yes you get insurance before you register and they don't ask but somewhere you sign off on the fact that it will be same state and if you don't follow that, it's kind of you.


    Most of the time it's not a problem but it isn't quite kosher overall.

    No, your car cannot be registered in one state and insured in another. Generally, your car should be both registered and insured in your state of legal residence. If you have recently moved, you have some time to switch your car insurance policy (but do it ASAP)

    Edit: Long story short, insurance will not stop you from doing something against their policy. IE insuring a car that's registered in a different state, but that liability is on you for making that mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePackage View Post
    your situation confuses them too much from their daily grind. all you really need to buy insurance is a VIN and money. it will be easier if you did it all online. https://buy.geico.com
    What are you talking about? Insurance is based on where the vehicle is being garaged.

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    where its garaged and the primary driver is just to calculate the costs to insure said vehicle. the other half is the VIN. that is the bare minimum a company needs to insure a vehicle, thank u, drive thru insurance is your friend here.

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    From NYS fun facts

    Out-of-state insurance documents
    We will never accept out-of-state vehicle insurance coverage of any type. If your vehicle is registered in New York, it must have New York State auto liability insurance coverage.
    https://dmv.ny.gov/insurance/insurance-requirements


    In nearly every state, drivers must have a minimum amount of car insurance. The types and amounts of coverage you need vary depending on where you live and keep your vehicle.

    Many drivers may wonder if your car can be registered in one state and insured in another, perhaps to reduce their auto insurance rate. Insurers typically don’t allow you to purchase an auto policy for a state where you don’t live.

    For instance, if you live in Florida, your car should be registered and insured in Florida. If you permanently relocate to another state, such as Georgia, the vehicle you bring with you must be registered and insured in Georgia.

    Having a car registered in one state and insured in another may be against the law. It could also cause your insurer to deny a claim or cancel your policy. So make sure you understand the rules for insuring your vehicle correctly.
    https://www.coverage.com/insurance/a...fferent-state/

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    you could always move your primary residence to Vermont

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    Re: Vermont registration help

    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePackage View Post
    where its garaged and the primary driver is just to calculate the costs to insure said vehicle. the other half is the VIN. that is the bare minimum a company needs to insure a vehicle, thank u, drive thru insurance is your friend here.
    When I told GEICO that I was a resident of MA but had garaged a vehicle in NH (for grad school), they lost their mind and canceled the policy on me. "If it is garaged in NH then it must be registered in NH or we won't insure it" was their line.. it was too much effort to bother fighting

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    Quote Originally Posted by number9 View Post
    When I told GEICO that I was a resident of MA but had garaged a vehicle in NH (for grad school), they lost their mind and canceled the policy on me. "If it is garaged in NH then it must be registered in NH or we won't insure it" was their line.. it was too much effort to bother fighting
    I don't think they are legally allowed to cancel a policy on you like that. Depending on how far back, you might be able to sue. They can give you non-renewal notice but never pull except for non-payment.

    https://www.mass.gov/service-details...bile-insurance


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    Quote Originally Posted by boosten lebaron View Post
    Maybe im over thinking things.
    You are.

    I've done this a few times, including with an NSR (by the way, let's hear more about your NSR). You don't want to "import" it through VT, you just want to register it there. You fill out the one page application that I'm sure you've already seen. Your seller will be whoever you bought it from in the EU (or me, or your dog, it doesn't matter). The VIN and your info and all that good stuff is straightforward. They also want their fees and their sales tax based on book value, which may be hard for a weird bike. Find something official looking with an estimate value and print it out with the application and mail it in. I also like to assume there's some 90 year old VT woman on the other end, so I always include a note with my application kind of playing dumb...i.e.: "if I made any mistakes don't hesitate to call me and I'll gladly correct them". I'd also advise not giving them more information than they need; don't include your import docs, European paperwork, or anything other than a bill of sale. And if your bill of sale is an invoice or something that will in any way confuse them or give pause, write a new one. I just happened to be looking at my VT NSR reg last night as I was selling it and I paid $102 to plate that bike.

    So selling it is the next thing. I sold mine to a guy in MA which obviously makes you title and register your office chair and weed whacker. The reason this works is because VT doesn't title older and smaller displacement stuff, so the guy who bought mine effectively bought it from VT, which would have never titled that bike. He'll get a MA title without a problem, although he may need to remind the RMV that VT doesn't title older stuff.

    PM me if you want. Happy to hop on the phone and try to walk you through it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nick5446 View Post
    You are.

    I've done this a few times, including with an NSR (by the way, let's hear more about your NSR). You don't want to "import" it through VT, you just want to register it there. You fill out the one page application that I'm sure you've already seen. Your seller will be whoever you bought it from in the EU (or me, or your dog, it doesn't matter). The VIN and your info and all that good stuff is straightforward. They also want their fees and their sales tax based on book value, which may be hard for a weird bike. Find something official looking with an estimate value and print it out with the application and mail it in. I also like to assume there's some 90 year old VT woman on the other end, so I always include a note with my application kind of playing dumb...i.e.: "if I made any mistakes don't hesitate to call me and I'll gladly correct them". I'd also advise not giving them more information than they need; don't include your import docs, European paperwork, or anything other than a bill of sale. And if your bill of sale is an invoice or something that will in any way confuse them or give pause, write a new one. I just happened to be looking at my VT NSR reg last night as I was selling it and I paid $102 to plate that bike.

    So selling it is the next thing. I sold mine to a guy in MA which obviously makes you title and register your office chair and weed whacker. The reason this works is because VT doesn't title older and smaller displacement stuff, so the guy who bought mine effectively bought it from VT, which would have never titled that bike. He'll get a MA title without a problem, although he may need to remind the RMV that VT doesn't title older stuff.

    PM me if you want. Happy to hop on the phone and try to walk you through it.
    I did a lot of what you talk about except i did use them to import. I didnt know i could skip that with them. After talking to them it didnt seem to much different either way. I did give them my import doc's however. The lady on the phone went over everything with me so i hope im all good. My fees were based on my declared value when i shipped it so i paid $138 for everything.
    Right now im counting on getting the vt reg. What i want to do now is get insurance lined up. The mass resident/vt plate is causing me some grief. Im not planning on selling it any time soon.

    My nsr is nothing special and looks like hell but i love it. Im using it to test the process so i can legalize my far more rare New Imperial model 23. I want that to go as smoothly as possible. If i screw up the nsr no big deal but the NI needs to be as legal as possible.

    https://cybermotorcycle.com/gallery/...-23-ATC-01.htm

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    why don't you get MA antique registration for the old bike and skip vermont?

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    Because i imported it as well. It still needs to be titled here first. Mass really isnt doing importation titles anymore.

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