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    Quote Originally Posted by xxaarraa View Post
    Ergo, "modern OEM headlights too bright" is mostly just you I'm afraid.
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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Quote Originally Posted by xxaarraa View Post
    You guys are mixing DOT/OEM spec and aftermarket.
    Actually I'm not mixing or confusing the two at all. There are numerous OEM lighting systems that are "too bright"/"the wrong wavelength"/"Whatever description we want to use for them" and cause issues with affecting the vision of oncoming drivers in a negative manner is some situations. Yes the DOT as well as European regulatory bodies have done a lot to make them less of an issue than they could be however they still have issues.

    Governing bodies have been telling us things are good for us for years, going back and realizing they were wrong and changing what they allow. This may just turn out to be one of those types of things.

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    I would argue that geometry plays a part. If you're in a car that's grounded to the ground () and there's an F-650 behind you, you're going to have a bad time.

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Any experience with the VW Tiguan?

    Is the engine shared with other models and long running?

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    My fiancée bought a 2016 Tacoma to tow our boat, my civic won’t die, I bought a TJ Wrangler (shit purchase), and now that’s its inspection time for the civic I’m back to the “when do I give up on a 273k mile vehicle that owes me nothing and I am on borrowed time with”, thus this super helpful and informative thread that hopefully helps others.
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    Learn from the Wrangler and don't buy a Tiguan.....

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    The new one is pretty awesome. My wife teally wanted one. We ended up with a RAV4 (solely based on lease numbers)
    Plus 2018 and new vw have a upgraded bumper to bumper warranty

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    great thread!...we'll be in the market for an suv at some point...she's currently running a 14 maxima <90k miles and i'm running a 13 legacy 145k miles...mine is paid off, hers isn't...her car is worth more than mine...her commute is 22 miles one way and mine is 43 miles one way...once her car is paid off we plan to trade in/sell a car (probably mine) and get an suv...my car has oil consumption issues eats 3+ extra quarts of oil over 7500 mile oil change intervals...the only other issue with my car is the weather strip on the inside of the drivers window folds inside the door when i turn the window down in the summer...other than that it's just been wear and tear items...her car is much nicer but it has too much electronics for my liking and i hate the whole touchscreen in it as well as the low profile tires/wheels (wheels are all dented up)...anyway after reading here and doing some of my own research i think we're going to be looking hard at a used highlander or maybe a cx9 since they don't have cvt transmissions...not sure about the pilot, pathfinder and ascent (after the oil consumption issue with my subaru i'd be leery of going with them again)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Point37 View Post
    great thread!...we'll be in the market for an suv at some point...she's currently running a 14 maxima <90k miles and i'm running a 13 legacy 145k miles...mine is paid off, hers isn't...her car is worth more than mine...once her car is paid off we plan to trade in/sell a car (probably mine) and get an suv...my car has oil consumption issues eats 3+ extra quarts of oil over 7500 mile oil change intervals...the only other issue with my car is the weather strip on the inside of the drivers window folds inside the door when i turn the window down in the summer...other than that it's just been wear and tear items...her car is much nicer but it has too much electronics for my liking and i hate the whole touchscreen in it as well as the low profile tires/wheels (wheels are all dented up)...anyway after reading here and doing some of my own research i think we're going to be looking hard at a used highlander or maybe a cx9 since they don't have cvt transmissions...not sure about the pilot, pathfinder and ascent (after the oil consumption issue with my subaru i'd be leery of going with them again)
    Cx9 is a terrific choice, 2016 and up. Interesting comment made to me by my mechanic when my VW Passat started eating oil (it was a 2008). He said it is not uncommon and paying the $20 between oil changes for the oil is cheaper than a year down. I just put a reminder on my watch to check the oil level monthly. Also, put oil in it that is higher viscosity (I put 10-40 instead of 0-40) and that helped a lot

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Quote Originally Posted by dankatz View Post
    Cx9 is a terrific choice, 2016 and up. Interesting comment made to me by my mechanic when my VW Passat started eating oil (it was a 2008). He said it is not uncommon and paying the $20 between oil changes for the oil is cheaper than a year down. I just put a reminder on my watch to check the oil level monthly. Also, put oil in it that is higher viscosity (I put 10-40 instead of 0-40) and that helped a lot
    thanks...yea i figured that...it's just aggravating to have to worry about oil...i had an 05 mazda 6 before the legacy and i never had to check the oil level and that car ran into the high 200k miles...in the legacy i'm runnin 0w-20 usually castrol or mobil 1...when the low oil light kicks on i usually just dump a quart in...buy my filters on amazon...buy a 5 quart jug at walmart and about 3 single quarts to toss in the trunk...95% of my driving is highway

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Didn't realize this was such an old thread when I started reading. Commenting on 2017 HRV and 16-18 Cherokee (not grand). HRV has uncomfortable seats. Also, infotainment is annoying. Too much touch, not enough real buttons, and it's hard to voice navigate/place calls. Probably a problem with most new cars. Company cars are Jeep Cherokees. Latitude with basic 4 cylinder. I'm told it is the most expensive to maintain vehicle we've used for company cars. We have a bunch of them. And the ones that do work are just plain soulless to drive. Never in the right gear, slow to shift. Not looking forward to getting rid of my 16 taurus (shockingly a great highway car with plenty of power and a very good 6AT).

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Quote Originally Posted by Point37 View Post
    great thread!...we'll be in the market for an suv at some point...she's currently running a 14 maxima <90k miles and i'm running a 13 legacy 145k miles...mine is paid off, hers isn't...her car is worth more than mine...her commute is 22 miles one way and mine is 43 miles one way...once her car is paid off we plan to trade in/sell a car (probably mine) and get an suv...my car has oil consumption issues eats 3+ extra quarts of oil over 7500 mile oil change intervals...the only other issue with my car is the weather strip on the inside of the drivers window folds inside the door when i turn the window down in the summer...other than that it's just been wear and tear items...her car is much nicer but it has too much electronics for my liking and i hate the whole touchscreen in it as well as the low profile tires/wheels (wheels are all dented up)...anyway after reading here and doing some of my own research i think we're going to be looking hard at a used highlander or maybe a cx9 since they don't have cvt transmissions...not sure about the pilot, pathfinder and ascent (after the oil consumption issue with my subaru i'd be leery of going with them again)
    13-15 Legacy 2.5L was part of the excessive oil consumption extended warranty/recall. If it failed the test they replaced the engine.

    Our 2006 3.0R uses none, with 232,000 miles. Our 2014 3.6R uses about a quart every 5,000 miles, as does the Tahoe..

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    We have one Rav4 6-cyl left here as a company car. Obviously these are the older body types, the new ones are only available with the 4-cyl, I believe. Anyway, these SUVs are pretty impressive. OK, the the transmissions needed work, on all of them, at 120-140k. My guess is that due to the way they were driven and not kept up, but speculation on my part. But for their size and power they get great mileage, like 26-28 according to the computer, so figure a couple less than that. And other than the transmission, they've held up great. The last one is around 210k miles, driven hard, always overloaded, and limited preventative maintenance.

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    13-15 Legacy 2.5L was part of the excessive oil consumption extended warranty/recall. If it failed the test they replaced the engine.

    Our 2006 3.0R uses none, with 232,000 miles. Our 2014 3.6R uses about a quart every 5,000 miles, as does the Tahoe..
    i got the notice about the class action suit but i was already over the 60k mileage limit so i got hosed case i drive a lot...as far as i know they only replaced the piston rings not the whole engine...for the most part i think they would test it and just say that it was normal and send you on your way anyway...and all it said was that they would reimburse you if you had gotten it tested, give you a 8 year 100k mile warranty, repairs, rentals, towing, as well as they would reimburse you for 6 quarts of oil...it affected all the 2.0 and 2.5 engines...so legacy, forester, impreza, crosstrek and outback (a majority of their line)...and i don't think the issue has been corrected so i don't plan on getting another subaru

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Quote Originally Posted by Point37 View Post
    i got the notice about the class action suit but i was already over the 60k mileage limit so i got hosed case i drive a lot...as far as i know they only replaced the piston rings not the whole engine...for the most part i think they would test it and just say that it was normal and send you on your way anyway...and all it said was that they would reimburse you if you had gotten it tested, give you a 8 year 100k mile warranty, repairs, rentals, towing, as well as they would reimburse you for 6 quarts of oil...it affected all the 2.0 and 2.5 engines...so legacy, forester, impreza, crosstrek and outback (a majority of their line)...and i don't think the issue has been corrected so i don't plan on getting another subaru
    We faced a similar “secret warranty” situation with Ford. We called the AG’s office, dealer owner called us back one hour later, and MoFoCo agreed to cover it. Every manufacturer has secret warranties and you really have to push them.

    The oil burning was unique to that period. Head gaskets remain an issue on the 2.5’s, especially Outbacks, but excessive oil consumption wasn’t common before or after. I won’t buy a newer Subaru because CVT and advised against 2.5 Outbacks, But people are cheap.

    Anyone who put their car in the consumption program and didn’t get the engine repair wasn’t paying attention.....

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    Any experience with the Mazda AWD system in snow?

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    Mine hardly ever kicks in. It tracks pretty good off the front two. Well, one, but you get the idea.

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Okay I have narrowed it down.

    Loaded Mazda CX-5 loaded Hyundai Tucson (with a possible Subaru Outback once I find out what it would cost to immediately replaced the 2.5 head gaskets with aftermarket ones).

    I assume most people would say Mazda.... but is anyone a Hyundai fan?!


    My opinion of Hyundai is, they are just as good as Toyota and Honda up to 200k, but I still would trust a Honda or Toyota to go to 300k or more. However, I’m looking to buy a lightly used with less than 30k, so what are the odds I’ll really keep the next car for 170k plus... so does it really matter?!

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    I had a cx-5 rental the other weekend. At first, I didn't like it. But it grew on me. Its nice, I just prefer "european car" nice....if that makes any sense. The location and operation of the buttons just didn't make a lot of sense to me, but when I thought long and hard about it, it was fine and I couldn't really complain. The steering wheel felt cheap for some reason, and since that is my main point of contact with the car at all times, it hurt the overall feel of the car. It drove excellent and the 4wd was amazing in the snow with generic all season tires.

    For reference, my prior rental was an Mercedes A140 hatch and I fell in love. I came home seeing if I could get one in the states. Thankfully no.
    I also like the interior on the golf sport wagons a lot more than the Mazda I drove.

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Quote Originally Posted by JettaJayGLS View Post
    I had a cx-5 rental the other weekend. At first, I didn't like it. But it grew on me. Its nice, I just prefer "european car" nice....if that makes any sense. The location and operation of the buttons just didn't make a lot of sense to me, but when I thought long and hard about it, it was fine and I couldn't really complain. The steering wheel felt cheap for some reason, and since that is my main point of contact with the car at all times, it hurt the overall feel of the car. It drove excellent and the 4wd was amazing in the snow with generic all season tires.

    For reference, my prior rental was an Mercedes A140 hatch and I fell in love. I came home seeing if I could get one in the states. Thankfully no.
    I also like the interior on the golf sport wagons a lot more than the Mazda I drove.
    I think I know what you mean...

    Was the steering wheel leather or rubber?

    That’s funny, in all the Mercedes and BMWs I can afford I think the dash looks riddled with buttons and seems like it would be hard to get used to.

    The 2012 A6 interior and newer I think are gorgeous.

    But it comes down to reliability.

    I don’t trust Audi uncertainty, I’ve always heard you can’t trust Benz passed 60k (besides the w123 gen or whatever, but those are too old to find) and bmw same thing.... but I do think if I could find a bmw with their most commonly used six cylinder it shouldn’t be TOO unreliable.

    An X5 is an all time fave and a first gen would still make me smitten, but euro would just make me too tense to buy over jap... and potentially Korean.

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    I agree. What is your budget? I was looking for an SUV for my mom. Not too big. Budget was close to $15k. Mazda was at the top of my list. Ended up with a Santa Fe sport, 2018, with little miles. An equivalent Mazda would have more miles and be 2-3 years older. You do get a lot for your money with the Korean brands. It drives really well. I think the Mazda would be more engaging to drive but my mom doesn’t care. I also like the looks- kind of superficial but still. I agree with your assessment - both should be equivalent to 200k. But the. Again, Mazda may be no better than Hyundai after that. Toyota probably a little better

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    Quote Originally Posted by dankatz View Post
    I agree. What is your budget? I was looking for an SUV for my mom. Not too big. Budget was close to $15k. Mazda was at the top of my list. Ended up with a Santa Fe sport, 2018, with little miles. An equivalent Mazda would have more miles and be 2-3 years older. You do get a lot for your money with the Korean brands. It drives really well. I think the Mazda would be more engaging to drive but my mom doesn’t care. I also like the looks- kind of superficial but still. I agree with your assessment - both should be equivalent to 200k. But the. Again, Mazda may be no better than Hyundai after that. Toyota probably a little better
    Budget is..... 20-25. If I can get into the teens I won’t be sad. Can I afford more? Sure... but ideally low 20s which basically means 2016 cx5, or 2017 Hyundai.

    If I want loaded, which I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JettaJayGLS View Post
    I also like the interior on the golf sport wagons a lot more than the Mazda I drove.
    i miss my Golf interior so much. we still have the Atlas but the GTI interior, and complete layout/ergos/tactile feedback/etc, were just so perfect for me. for a ~26K car, the interior felt ~50K+. VW hit that one out of the park ... not as solid/thick/dead feeling as all of our older Volvos, but man did i have enjoy every drive. tartan seats were the bomb, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by typeone View Post
    i miss my Golf interior so much. we still have the Atlas but the GTI interior, and complete layout/ergos/tactile feedback/etc, were just so perfect for me. for a ~26K car, the interior felt ~50K+. VW hit that one out of the park ... not as solid/thick/dead feeling as all of our older Volvos, but man did i have enjoy every drive. tartan seats were the bomb, too.
    Yes. Whitney got her brand new All Track for $23k out the door with this interior. I mean...come on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by typeone View Post
    i miss my Golf interior so much. we still have the Atlas but the GTI interior, and complete layout/ergos/tactile feedback/etc, were just so perfect for me. for a ~26K car, the interior felt ~50K+. VW hit that one out of the park ... not as solid/thick/dead feeling as all of our older Volvos, but man did i have enjoy every drive. tartan seats were the bomb, too.
    Please say it had the plaid seats <3

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