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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs


    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    Just drove it home in traffic and engaged the adaptive cruise control (part of the Eyesite system). It is freakin' awesome. Didn't touch the gas or brake but once* from the Route 3 split up 93 to exit 15.

    *If it brings you to a complete stop, you have to hit the gas to make it move
    Quote Originally Posted by e30addict View Post
    Meh. I set off that Eyesight thing in a parking lot last time I drove one. Too nanny ish for me.

    I guess it's a good feature for a newbie driver. Then again, balling up a car is kind of a right of passage.
    Haven't driven Subaru's version of the adaptive cruise yet but drove a rental Passat with it and thought it sucked. Not how it did what it does but the fact that it does what it does. All these "driver aids" that supposedly make it safer on the roads are only making so that drivers are no longer engaged in the act of driving which will make it less safe to be on the road with them. Take away all of the distractions and make people actually drive the car. A friend of mine used to suck at driving when she had an automatic transmission because, in her words, she just pointed the car and stepped on the gas. She now drives a manual transmission truck and has become far more aware of her surroundings when driving and now is far less of a terrible driver than she had been. The act of controlling the transmission makes her a more engaged driver.

    If everyone winds up using this type of cruise control then everyone will wind up traveling at the rate of speed of the person that sets the speed the lowest. I realize that if there is nothing in the lane in front of you that theoretically your car should return to the speed you have set however how often is it that there is nobody going slower than you in the lane in front of you?

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Agreed. They make it safer for the disengaged, but more dangerous for the rest of us.

    Yes, we are constantly dumbing things for the lowest common denominator, and that bar is dropping at an exponential rate.

    Sadly, we're also in the minority. The masses could care less. They just want to check out and stare at there phones playing Candy Crush and have the car do everything. They don't care about anything else.

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Y'all don't live in Boston. But if adaptive cruise offends you, shut it off. Controls are on steering wheel.

    Our Transit had a lane warning system and I didn't find it helpful. Our Odyssey, like the Outback, has an obstacle warning which is helpful when parking the Odyssey because you can't see the corners very well. In traffic or a parking lot it would be really distracting, as it was in Boston traffic.

    Some adaptive cruise systems are radar, but Subaru is optical. I haven't tried it in bad weather but suspect in snow or heavy rain it won't work at all. I don't trust the ACruise but it cuts down the throttle/brake cycles. There are three distance settings but I only use the max.

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    Y'all don't live in Boston. But if adaptive cruise offends you, shut it off. Controls are on steering wheel.
    This may be true on Subaru and if I wind up with a Subaru with the eyesight option I will happily do so. The rental Passat that I was driving offered no option to turn it off, I did an internet search to see if I could shut it off it was that annoying.

    Though Subaru was smart enough to make it such that it can be disabled I would bet that most manufacturers think they know what is "better" for the general public and won't make it so that it can be disabled. Soon enough it will be mandatory due to some dumbass legislator creating a bill that requires it on all cars after xx/xx/xxxx.

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    Y'all don't live in Boston. But if adaptive cruise offends you, shut it off. Controls are on steering wheel.
    No, I don't live there. I do drive anywhere between 200-600 per weekend in Boston proper and surrounding area though. I can't think of a single time when I thought, damn, I wish I had cruise control.

    I'm not sure I understand your point with that statement.

    Years ago someone introduced me to the Smith System. I think it's great. If more people utilized it instead of relying on electronics we would all be better off.

    Smith System - Five Principles of Safe Driving | Platinum Drivers Inc.

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    The "Cute Ute" and Crossover sectors remain Red hot in a cooling market, so Mazda has updated the CX5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by e30addict View Post
    Years ago someone introduced me to the Smith System. I think it's great. If more people utilized it instead of relying on electronics we would all be better off.

    Smith System - Five Principles of Safe Driving | Platinum Drivers Inc.
    Good stuff. The guys at Skip Barber put #1 another way: "The farther ahead you look, the slower things happen."

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Damn you track day guys drive fast-
    " Having the whole picture means that you are doing your part to keep your vehicle as safe as possible while moving 1000ft a second".

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Lol. I'm sure that's a typo. That was just a Google link.

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Quote Originally Posted by e30addict View Post
    I do drive anywhere between 200-600 per weekend in Boston proper and surrounding area though.
    OH GOD WHY?

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    OH GOD WHY?
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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

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    OH GOD WHY?
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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

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    Stealing dirt bikes.
    Shhhh. I do go through your neighborhood from time to time. I wouldn't mind another Yamaha. Is it stored out back?

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Tried the adaptive cruise on 128 last night and it works as designed but not sure how much I'll use it.

    Cruising along in moderate traffic, it keeps a perfect 3 second gap from the car ahead. And if someone cuts into that gap, it will slow down on its' own, then go back to the set point until you close up again.

    But if people do things like change lanes into a stream of traffic six cars ahead going 40mph, it will brake hard as all the boneheads in front of you do, instead of backing off earlier and changing lanes when possible. It sees a "cone" ahead of you but can't "see" beyond the car directly in front of you.

    Subaru is good about "Nanny control." You can shut off VDC in this Outback and the WRX (though supposedly you cannot on the base CrossTrek). All the components of Eyesite can be shut off and it will operate perfectly happy as a "dumb" cruise control.

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    BTW in the article about the new CX5, they mentioned it will be available later with a 2.2L diesel.

    These small SUV's -all SUV's - are selling well while the car market has tanked. Nissan Rogue passed the CR-V for #1 spot, and the segment sold 420,000 vehicles through February.

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    How about a 6cyl Subaru?

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Why do so many new cars come with keyless systems? Lower manufacturing cost?

    This one has two fobs, unlocks itself as you approach, and has remote start. But all that function is available on cars with keys as well. You can program the rear tailgate to get into the back without the fob, otherwise lose the fob and replacement is over $300. That doesn't sound like progress to me.

    On the + point side, the Subaru nav system is a little cumbersome but allows input of just about anything but typed-in addresses while moving. And the trip computer can be adjusted +/- 10% to adjust indicated mpg to the calculated numbers. Finally, there's a tool to aim the rear view camera.

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    On board NAV is like a standalone GPS.

    You need to enter in your AARP membership number to use them.

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    On board NAV is like a standalone GPS.

    You need to enter in your AARP membership number to use them.
    Thanks for sharing the middle-aged perspective!

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    adaptive cruise control is the tits. Lexus made it standard this year, although for some reason we have 2 different versions.

    Its awesome in I95 traffic here on the shore. as someone said above it stops and goes and keeps the gap of margin, but for all theses systems to work, THEY NEED A CAR INFRONT OF YOU TO FOLLOW!

    So if you were coming off a highway off-ramp and there were cars stopped at the bottom, your possibly fucked, but at that paint the pre collision system would try and do its job to reduce the severity of the impact.

    Also Ive noticed in CT and NY NJ, that even on the shortest gap, and setting the crusie at a stupid speed, the gap is still big enough that everyone will pass you and cut in-between you and the car you were following.

    I was all for lane departure warnings, but I've been demoing an RX350 for the last 1000 miles and I think I hate it around town. as basically it goes nuts and thinks your drunk. Same thing with the chevy Suburban I had, although GM things its a good idea to buzz the seats instead of the wheel.

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Quote Originally Posted by jhawley View Post
    GM things its a good idea to buzz the seats instead of the wheel.
    Vibrating seats might be a selling point for some demographics

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    We buy the full electronics suite in all our vehicles for the last few years: even the Transit van and our Cruze turbodiesel service cars.

    CT and NH are strictly, if selectively, enforcing the hands free laws and Bluetooth option is tied to Nav for many vehicles as part of an "Infotainment" system . For us in Boston, it's a no-brainer for a number of reasons, Notably, it's tied into the odometer feed so it works in the tunnels. Some smartphones and units like Zumo may have a piezo gyro but they lose track after a few hundred yards. The tunnels are a black hole for the otherwise invaluable Waze app

    We have a 17yo driver (and a 15yo who will start next year) and she can't touch her phone so Waze or another smartphone app isn't the best option for her. She also doesn't know her way around very well, and living in Boston means driving around back streets to avoid commuter traffic. So having a nav system built in insures she knows where she is and where she is going. I don't really want her cruising through Geneva Four Corners on a Saturday night.

    Had to go to Walter Brown Arena this morning and the Subaru nav found a shorter route that Waze did not. Pretty cool. On this Outback there was one giant option package that had GPS, Eyesite, mirror turn signals, interior lighting, saddle leather seats, push button start, and hot running water.....

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    So having a nav system built in insures she knows where she is and where she is going. I don't really want her cruising through Geneva Four Corners on a Saturday night.
    Oddly enough having a Nav ensures exactly the opposite. Most people just follow blindly where the Nav tells them to go. Ask them where they went or how to get from point A to point B and they have no idea.

    How does having a Nav prevent someone from cruising through Geneva Four Corners on a Saturday night? If that is the shortest route, time or mileage, the Nav will send you that way.

    Nav does have the benefit of being able to react to traffic information to prevent sitting in hours of traffic but knowing where you are going without the Nav is invaluable.

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    I was in an customers car the other day helping them with their nav and it actually had the option to avoid certain areas.

    Also with the traffic routing the cars are getting smarter. up until 2015 these cars here got traffic updates from an active Satellite radio subscription, which was a crook of shit because It never got anything around here. just only the big cluster fucks on 95 towards Stamford and the city.
    In 2015 they updated the whole system and now it gets traffic and weather data from the HD radio service. So its free forever, and it also updated every 15 mins for traffic and 10 for weather (or that might be reversed).

    My swap guy who does about nearly 1000 miles a week for me, has used both the car and waze at the same time. He feels that waze is the SHIT, but the car is I very close second. where as waze wants to keep you moving, the car will make a change but not as drastic as waze.

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