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    Oddly enough having a Nav ensures exactly the opposite. Most people just follow blindly where the Nav tells them to go. Ask them where they went or how to get from point A to point B and they have no idea.//
    For sure. I used to teach marine GPS navigation and it was always a challenge to get them to write down each leg range and bearing - until they had a GPS system failure at sea and realized they had no friggen' idea where they were! It's a tool, not a panacea.

    While that is a shortcoming, for a new driver having consistent directions is one less thing to worry about.


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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhawley View Post
    I was in an customers car the other day helping them with their nav and it actually had the option to avoid certain areas.

    // Also with the traffic routing the cars are getting smarter. //

    My swap guy who does about nearly 1000 miles a week for me, has used both the car and waze at the same time. He feels that waze is the SHIT, but the car is I very close second. where as waze wants to keep you moving, the car will make a change but not as drastic as waze.
    The FM traffic seems much better than in the past: it used to be, "There was a traffic jam here two hours ago." Like Google Maps (before they purchased Waze) most of their data seemed to come from transit authority data, so it was OK around Boston and pretty much worthless on the open road.

    The Subaru system has Avoidances as well: but they are transient, selected from the current route. You cannot permanently deselect a street, although you can deselect categories like toll roads, ferries, dirt roads, etc.

    With marine GPS systems, you can create "Avoidance Waypoints" by selecting a point and specifying a radius. That will trigger an alarm if you enter that zone. Handy for areas like rocks or shoal areas not visible at high tide, but not implemented in car navigation systems to my knowledge.

    Lots of people would like Waze to offer avoidances. But because the route calculation is server-side they've not come up with a way to do it. If you pick "Routes" and then "Map View" you can see a route overview, but you cannot see the details of the route unless you select it.

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Toyota displayed an off-road focused vehicle at the NYIAS. Sound like production noises.

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    Looks exactly like, and to be about the same size as the renegade. Yawn.

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    Kind of reminds me of the old Isuzu vehicross.

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Because the market doesn't have enough CUV's Subaru is adding the oddly styled (at least in pictures) Ascent to the mix: CUV buyers like 'em butch. Supposedly base engine is a direct injected turbo four.



    The Latest on the Subaru Ascent - Subienews

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    . On this Outback there was one giant option package that had GPS, Eyesite, mirror turn signals, interior lighting, saddle leather seats, push button start, and hot running water.....
    that hot running water sounds like a useful option if you use it on camping trips

    only vehicle I ever owned with hot running water was the old carpet van, but the temp was nearly steam, so that wasn't very useful other than the intended purpose

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    Because the market doesn't have enough CUV's Subaru is adding the oddly styled (at least in pictures) Ascent to the mix: CUV buyers like 'em butch. Supposedly base engine is a direct injected turbo four.



    The Latest on the Subaru Ascent - Subienews
    looks like a Toyota 4 Runner

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    I'd say Highlander vs 4Runner.

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Just noticed the MB GLK350, a smallish CUV (178" long) but with a squared-off shape for more interior volume. Engines are 3.5 V6 or turbodiesel. Replaced by the GLC after 2016, which also sells well. Don't know anyone who owns one: a quick GIS search revealed some astonishing repair costs for 4Matic-equipped cars.

    I'd guess the Acura RDX is the closest competitor.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    a quick GIS search revealed some astonishing repair costs for Mercedes cars.
    FFY...

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Quote Originally Posted by Falko View Post
    FFY...
    This.

    There shouldn't be anything astonishing about cost when it comes to repairing an overly complex German car.

    That statement ranks right up there with "astonishlingly, MA went blue in the last election". Both are equally predicatable

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    Ironically, the GLKs seem to be holding up the best of the brand in my experience.

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    I'm looking for a 2011-2014 Highlander, which is the last of the 2nd gen cars. Ideally I'd like to get one with as few miles as possible -- under 30k would be ideal -- which means expanding my search radius out quite a bit. This also means it's more likely that I'll have to buy from a dealer and not a regular person.

    Which brings me to my question.. is there a rule of thumb for how much wiggle room dealers have in price? I'm talking about independent dealers here, as opposed to an actual Toyota dealership. Most cars I'm looking at are between $15k-$18k or so.

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Quote Originally Posted by number9 View Post
    I'm looking for a 2011-2014 Highlander, which is the last of the 2nd gen cars. Ideally I'd like to get one with as few miles as possible -- under 30k would be ideal -- which means expanding my search radius out quite a bit. This also means it's more likely that I'll have to buy from a dealer and not a regular person.

    Which brings me to my question.. is there a rule of thumb for how much wiggle room dealers have in price? I'm talking about independent dealers here, as opposed to an actual Toyota dealership. Most cars I'm looking at are between $15k-$18k or so.
    Dealers have much less wiggle room on Toyotas because they bring all the money wholesale compared to some other stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if most wanted 1500-2000 over rough book before they'd roll the car, especially if they ran it through the shop first. I deal with dealers all the time who need close to or over NADA retail before taxes are paid out to make it profitable for them. You can blow out something like an Audi or Chrysler (nevermind Cadillac) for thousands under retail and still make a profit in comparison.

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    2014 would include some cars coming off a three year lease. We bought a 2014 Outback 3.6R at the beginning of the summer, which had just come off lease.

    Not sure that helps you as it would be at a Torota dealer.

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Basically the rule of thumb is dealers buy at wholesale (think, NADA/KBB fair/poor condition trade in value) and list at excellent retail value. Anywhere in between that you feel comfortable offering is generally acceptable, especially on a clean, low mileage 3 year-old car. Want to practically guarantee they'll accept the offer? Tell them you'll buy it today for $500 over fair trade. If it's been sitting on their lot for close to 90 days, offer less and see what they say.

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Anyone have any experience with Honda Passports, or Acura SLXs? Basically a Rodeo and Trooper? Honda badges, Isuzu guts... Must be black eyes for Honda, no? Or similar Japanese reliability

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    They are going to be so old and high miles at this point. and lord knows where your going to get parts for it.

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Quote Originally Posted by jhawley View Post
    They are going to be so old and high miles at this point. and lord knows where your going to get parts for it.
    They have this thing called the internet

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    Subaru introduced the Ascent at the LA Auto Show

    And VW introduced the Atlas

    Because the US market needs more 3 row Crossovers.....

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    The Touareg will be going away once the Atlas is in full swing. At a Christmas shop this past weekend and there was an Atlas there. It had a tree on the roof. It was performing its suburbia heavy duty haul with ease...

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    Re: Winter feedback wanted on new and newish small crossover/suvs

    The Ascent features up to 5,000 pounds of towing capacity, the most ever offered by a Subaru.
    Interesting. Finally.
    Pretty remarkable for a 2.4L turbo gas motor + CVT.

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