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    Re: Zero Turn Mower Advice

    Quote Originally Posted by guru_lou View Post
    I have had my JD ZTR 757 for over 12 years. It's a commercial mower with a 60" deck and a bagger system. I've been using it to mow a 5.5 acre back yard. It has a Kawasaki 25 hp 2 cyl engine that has been trouble free all this time. The machine has over 600 hrs on it. I'll admit that it's a bit over the top, but there were few options back when I bought it. Things you might want to consider is the layout of the blades in the mower deck. If there is a space between the blades , or even minimal overlap, you run into the issue of having a stripe going down the middle of the deck that requires a second pass to clean up. The other problem that you might run into is trying to mow the yard at a high ground speed. One person noted that his goes 7 mph, and my JD tops out at 10 mph, however, the faster you go, the less power the retreating blade has to cut the grass, so you've got one side of each blade cut down to, let's say 4" and the other side of that blade may look a bit ragged at that speed and may need you to slow down in order to get a clean cut. Like someone else stated, get the most that you can afford in the size you want. For a couple of acres, there isn't much difference between 42" and 48" models. EXMARK seems to be very well built, but I haven't tried one. JD models have yellow mower decks for their residential models and green mower decks for their commercial models. I have a very hilly backyard and can confirm that the mower will slide down on you if you are cutting laterally, especially if the grass is wet or damp. In my case, I have some 40 degree slopes that I need to cut, so I added some extra weights to the front, in addition to the weights added for a bagger system, in order to go straight up or down the hills.
    good info...thanks...i'm really between the Gravely ZT HD 48 and the Exmark Radius X 48 at the moment...i think a 48" deck is plenty for my yard and it will be small and nimble enough to get into some of the tight spaces in my yard with the bagger attached

    Gravely ZT HD Lawn Mower | Zero Turn Mowers | Gravely

    https://www.exmark.com/products/mowe...RAX651GKA484A3

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    Re: Zero Turn Mower Advice

    Quote Originally Posted by Point37 View Post
    thanks...are you sure you don't have that backwards?...or maybe it's cause it's a US engine?...every model i have looked at has the kawasaki as an upgrade from a kohler or a briggs engine
    Yeah. I talked with a couple places that sold Ferris mowers, and both would sell me the stander I was looking at with a Kawasaki engine for $300 less than the Vanguard. They both strongly suggested going with the Vanguard engine with the new oil guard system, and shit on Kawasaki engines in general. I was surprised by this, after buying two used Ferris mowers because they had Kawasaki engines. IDK, I didn't do much looking into it, but figure if two different dealers are saying the same thing, there would be a reason.

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    Re: Zero Turn Mower Advice

    here is what i whittled it down to...i'd like to go with a 48" deck...the gravely zt hd is the only one i'm not sure if they offer a powered bagger for...so at the moment the exmark is in the lead

    Exmark Radius x 48 kawasaki engine + powered bagging system
    RAX651GKA484A3
    https://www.exmark.com/products/mowe...RAX651GKA484A3

    Scag Patriot 52 kawasaki engine + powered bagging system
    SPZ52-22FX
    Scag Patriot Zero-Turn Rider - Scag Power Equipment

    Gravely ZT HD 48 kawasaki engine + can't find any info about the powered bagging system
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    Gravely ZT X 52 kawasaki + powered bagging system
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    Gravely ZT X Lawn Mower | Zero Turn Mowers | Gravely

    Gravely ZT XL 52 kawasaki + powered bagging system
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    Gravely ZT XL Lawn Mower | Zero Turn Mowers | Gravely

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    Re: Zero Turn Mower Advice

    i've decided to sell my Husky 48 w/Kawi motor, welded deck, power bagger system, etc ... if you're interested, i'll post full spec, hours, pics, etc.

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    Re: Zero Turn Mower Advice

    Quote Originally Posted by Point37 View Post
    here is what i whittled it down to...i'd like to go with a 48" deck...the gravely zt hd is the only one i'm not sure if they offer a powered bagger for...so at the moment the exmark is in the lead

    Exmark Radius x 48 kawasaki engine + powered bagging system
    RAX651GKA484A3
    https://www.exmark.com/products/mowe...RAX651GKA484A3

    Scag Patriot 52 kawasaki engine + powered bagging system
    SPZ52-22FX
    Scag Patriot Zero-Turn Rider - Scag Power Equipment

    Gravely ZT HD 48 kawasaki engine + can't find any info about the powered bagging system
    991162
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    Gravely ZT X 52 kawasaki + powered bagging system
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    Gravely ZT XL 52 kawasaki + powered bagging system
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    Gravely ZT XL Lawn Mower | Zero Turn Mowers | Gravely
    From that list, buy the ExMark. The Scag is a mostly bolted together chassis, and unless you're very attentive, it's rattle apart. I used to be an ExMark and Gravely dealer, and the Gravely was not the machine that the ExMark was.

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    Re: Zero Turn Mower Advice

    scaled back my want list even more...now looking at a 42" fab deck toro or exmark with non-powered bagger...heard good things about the engines on these...probably just go with a tow behind dethatcher...just have to check widths with the bagger installed and then try to see if there are any differences between the 2 models since they are essentially the same brand...looks like the toro has a food operated deck height adjustment while the exmark has a hand adjusted one...

    toro
    mx4250 + bagger + weight kit...has arm rests and hour meter
    https://www.toro.com/en/homeowner/ri...r-mx4250-74760

    exmark
    quest e series 42 + arm rest kit + bagger +hour meter + weight kit
    https://www.exmark.com/products/mowe...QZE708GEM42200

    or i buy this...
    ALTOZ TRX660i All Terrain Mower - farm & garden - by dealer - sale

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    Re: Zero Turn Mower Advice

    That ALTOZ is laughable, saw that on Craig's a couple weeks ago. Between the Toro and the Ezmark, I look at Toro I see a homeowner machine, Exmark is commercial duty. My 2 cents, I've never owned either. I've owned Scags and Lescos, both have been great.

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    Re: Zero Turn Mower Advice

    I have a craftsman ztl1000 (mtd) had it about 7 years mows an acre so fa so good

    Only change was putting tubes in the tires, mounted an angle iron to be tow bar

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    Re: Zero Turn Mower Advice

    Quote Originally Posted by b0xmonkey View Post
    That ALTOZ is laughable, saw that on Craig's a couple weeks ago. Between the Toro and the Ezmark, I look at Toro I see a homeowner machine, Exmark is commercial duty. My 2 cents, I've never owned either. I've owned Scags and Lescos, both have been great.
    yea i've never heard of altoz before but i thought it looked ridiculous...i'm leaning towards the exmark right now...toro owns exmark so i'm really not sure how many differences there are between them

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    Re: Zero Turn Mower Advice

    Quote Originally Posted by Point37 View Post
    ..toro owns exmark so i'm really not sure how many differences there are between them
    I did not know that.

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    Re: Zero Turn Mower Advice

    Quote Originally Posted by b0xmonkey View Post
    I did not know that.
    i didn't either until i started reading up...ariens owns gravely

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    Re: Zero Turn Mower Advice

    after reading the nightmares people are having with the automatic parking brake modules in the toro mowers...basically locking the machine up or killing the battery...i will be staying away from anything from toro that has an automatic parking brake...the toro has the better transmissions (hg2200) than the exmark (hg2100) so maybe i will end up bumping up the model list a little so i can get a model with actual serviceable transmissions...guess i need to get back to the drawing board

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    Re: Zero Turn Mower Advice

    now i'm looking at the following (prices for each mower are just what i could find on the internet via google, not sure of exact prices):

    -exmark quest e series 42 $3300 (hg2100) (non powered bagger)
    -toro mx4250 $3600 (hg2200) (non powered bagger)

    -ariens ikon xl 42 $3800 (hg2800) (doesn't seem like there is a bagger available)
    -gravely zt xl 42 $4100 (hg2800) (powered bagger)
    -scag liberty z 36 $4000 (hg2800) (non powered bagger)

    now leaning towards the gravely at the moment or just going with my original choice of the toro and just hope the parking brake module doesn't malfunction

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    Re: Zero Turn Mower Advice

    Powered bagger would be worth the extra $$, especially during leaf season.

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    Re: Zero Turn Mower Advice

    Quote Originally Posted by Falko View Post
    Powered bagger would be worth the extra $$, especially during leaf season.
    this is what i think as well not sure how much the powered bagger costs

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    Re: Zero Turn Mower Advice

    updated list based off of better transmissions while trying to keep the deck smaller so i can fit through the 6' wide door with bagger attached...i'm between the gravely and the ferris now...the ferris would probably cost more and i can't figure out why they would put a 18.5 hp motor in it when the other motor they offer is a 25hp b&s commercial series so i'm leaning towards the gravley

    *GRAVELY ZT XL 42"* (HG 2800 + FRV-TWIN 21.5HP KAWASAKI + POWERED BAGGER)
    *FERRIS IS 600Z 44" (HG3400 + FS 600V 18.5HP KAWASAKI OR B&S + POWERED BAGGER)

    ARIENS Ikon XL 42" (HG2800 + 7000 VTWIN KOHLER 22HP + POWERED BAGGER)
    BOBCAT CRZ 42" (HG2800 + FR 651V 18.8HP KAWASAKI + NO BAGGER)
    SCAG LIBERTY Z 36" (HG2800 + FR600 18HP KAWASAKI + BAGGER)
    TORO MX4250 (HG2200 + 24.5HP TORO + BAGGER + AUTOBRAKE)
    EXMARK QUEST E SERIES 42" (HG2100 + 24.5HP EXMARK + BAGGER + AUTOBRAKE)
    HUSQVARNA Z242F (HG2200 + 21.5HP FR SERIES KAWASAKI + NO BAGGER)
    BAD BOY MZ 42" (HG2200 + 22HP KOHLER PRO 7000 + BAGGER OR POWERED BAGGER)
    HUSTLER RAPTOR 42" (HG2200 + FR651 21.5HP KAWASAKI + BAGGER)
    KUBOTA Z122R 42" (HG2200 + 21.5HP KUBOTA + BAGGER)

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    Re: Zero Turn Mower Advice

    narrowed it down to 3 42" deck choices i think...going to try them out if they have them on the floor...leaning towards the toro at the moment but i wish i could upgrade the front caster wheels and brackets to accommodate wider tires...still a little worried about having a wet lawn and scalping/rutting...if all else fails i'll be going with a husqvarna tractor with a bagger...i was just hoping to make cutting a little faster with a zero turn...

    -transmissions (gravely>toro/husqvarna)
    -dealer proximity (toro>husqvarna>gravely)
    -non powered bagger (depends if there are any clogging issues, but probably going to get a sweeper for the leaves and sticks)
    -2 vs 3 blades (gravely 3, toro/husqvarna 2)
    -trailer hitch (toro standard, gravely/husqvarna add on)
    -# of deck positions (gravely 13>toro 7>husqvarna 6)
    -weight due to sometimes wet lawn (toro 550>husqvarna 630>gravely 661)
    -front tire width due to wet lawn (husqvarna/gravely 6">toro 4")
    -autobrake (don't like) (gravely>toro/husqvarna)
    -cost (husqvarna>toro>gravely)
    -warranty
    -arm rests (toro/gravely standard, husqvarna add on)
    -seat comfort/ride
    -ease of oil changes
    -tracking (straightness of ride)
    -towing capacity

    better transmission choices...

    ~$4100
    GRAVELY ZT-XL 42"* (HG 2800 + FRV-TWIN 21.5HP KAWASAKI + POWERED OR NON POWERED BAGGER + TRAILER HITCH)
    https://www.gravely.com/en-us/zero-t.../gravely-zt-xl

    lower level transmission choices...

    ~$3600
    TORO MX4250 (HG2200 + 24.5HP TORO + BAGGER + AUTOBRAKE)
    https://www.toro.com/en/homeowner/ri...r-mx4250-74760

    ~$2800
    HUSQVARNA Z242F (HG2200 + 21.5HP FR SERIES KAWASAKI + BAGGER + ARMRESTS + TRAILER HITCH + AUTOBRAKE)
    https://www.husqvarna.com/us/product...42f/967271801/

    dealer proximity

    1 closest dealer to me is 11 miles away and carries bobcat...this is a small place

    2 next closest dealer to me is 15 miles away and carries bad boy, ferris, jonsered, simplicity, snapper, toro, troy-bilt and wright...this is a small place

    3 next closest dealer to me is 21 miles away and carries ariens, exmark, scag, husqvarna, toro, walker and wright...this is also a small place

    4 next closest dealer is 26 miles away and carries cub cadet, exmark, gravely, husqvarna, kubota, toro, walker and wright...this is a big dealer

    5 next closest dealer is 31 miles away and carries ariens, exmark, gravely, husqvarna and scag...i'd say this is a medium place

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    Re: Zero Turn Mower Advice

    Quote Originally Posted by Point37 View Post
    -non powered bagger (depends if there are any clogging issues, but probably going to get a sweeper for the leaves and sticks)
    FWIW (on one of your smaller points) I bought this Agri-Fab 44 in tow behind sweeper last fall and it's pretty awesome. I spent an entire day with leaf blower/rake/tarp and when I finished work I had managed to complete a very small part of my 2 acres. The next day I went to Tractor Supply and bought the sweeper, assembled it, cleared the rest of the property, then went out for an early lunch with some buds. This spring I've used it for winter clean up, it will pickup any stick that isn't to large for the intake. $300 very well spent.

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    Re: Zero Turn Mower Advice

    Quote Originally Posted by loudbeard View Post
    FWIW (on one of your smaller points) I bought this Agri-Fab 44 in tow behind sweeper last fall and it's pretty awesome. I spent an entire day with leaf blower/rake/tarp and when I finished work I had managed to complete a very small part of my 2 acres. The next day I went to Tractor Supply and bought the sweeper, assembled it, cleared the rest of the property, then went out for an early lunch with some buds. This spring I've used it for winter clean up, it will pickup any stick that isn't to large for the intake. $300 very well spent.
    The sweepers are awesome. I had one as I didn't want to invest the money on a bagger set up for an old hand me down mower I had. When I recently bought my zero turn I got the bags and thought I'd never use the sweeper again. I was wrong. I wish I would have passed on spending the extra money for the bagger set up. Set it low enough and it'll even dethatch the lawn

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    Re: Zero Turn Mower Advice

    Quote Originally Posted by loudbeard View Post
    FWIW (on one of your smaller points) I bought this Agri-Fab 44 in tow behind sweeper last fall and it's pretty awesome. I spent an entire day with leaf blower/rake/tarp and when I finished work I had managed to complete a very small part of my 2 acres. The next day I went to Tractor Supply and bought the sweeper, assembled it, cleared the rest of the property, then went out for an early lunch with some buds. This spring I've used it for winter clean up, it will pickup any stick that isn't to large for the intake. $300 very well spent.
    thanks for the info...i've heard the same thing...well worth it just for the leaves...i despise raking leaves so i'll spend the money to make that job easier...a sweeper is a must in my book

    Quote Originally Posted by 08zxcpb View Post
    The sweepers are awesome. I had one as I didn't want to invest the money on a bagger set up for an old hand me down mower I had. When I recently bought my zero turn I got the bags and thought I'd never use the sweeper again. I was wrong. I wish I would have passed on spending the extra money for the bagger set up. Set it low enough and it'll even dethatch the lawn
    nice!...i was thinking of getting a dethatcher at some point also but if the sweeper will do it then i won't bother...but i really need both a bagger and a sweeper...if i didn't have as many obstacles and tight spots in my yard i would just skip the bagger and get a sweeper and a mulching kit...i just don't always have time to cut the lawn and it gets long sometimes

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    Re: Zero Turn Mower Advice

    If the sweeper doesn't dethatch quite as much as you need they have a few different bolt on options that attach to the sweeper. The plus with that is its only one pass around the yard to dethatch and clean up. I've seen some that will mount to the front of the zero turn. But for me I get more than enough with the sweeper set low.

    I did get the mulch selector on my deck and that has been a nice feature. Per John Deere its suppose to be removed when you bag but the chute still fits on and only time it clogs is when the bags fill up.

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    Re: Zero Turn Mower Advice

    after thinking about it some more and walking around my soggy rear yard i think i'm going to research garden tractors as well...the reasons for this are...

    -my self propelled push mower ruts areas when the yard is wet as it is...the added weight of a zero turn and small front tires even though they are more rear weighted, plus a bagger/weight kit, plus trying to do a zero turn back there i think i will be making a mess of the lawn no matter how well i learn how to operate it...i don't always have time to wait to cut at the opportune time so maybe the larger tires and weight being more evenly dispersed between them would be better

    -i plan to move some large rocks out of my yard with a small garden dump trailer i acquired (instead of using a wheel barrow)...so i figure the transmission of a garden tractor would be better for something like this vs a zero turn

    -it will be more user friendly in case my dad comes by and wants to use it or my wife decides to help me cut while i trim

    <1 acre...~5% slope...have a wet soggy yard sometimes so i think the larger tires of a tractor may be better than a zero turn...any advice would be appreciated...thanks in advance

    wants/needs
    -needs to have an easily removable bagger
    -needs to be able to mow in reverse
    -would like the ability to tow a thatcher, sweeper, spreader, roller and garden trailer
    -would like the transmission to be able to handle towing rocks in the garden trailer
    -needs 42"-48" fab deck...for maneuverability around obstacles in yard and a better cut with some uneven ground...mower + bagger attached have to fit through a 6' wide shed door
    -would like to be able to easily remove the deck
    -needs hydrostatic drive
    -kawasaki or other 20+hp reliable engine
    -easy oil changes
    -reliable

    looking at the following Husqvarna models at the moment...open to other brands though...not too sure how many quality garden tractor brands there are out there...john deere and kubota are nice but a little too pricey but i would buy a low hour used model if it fit my needs...

    TS348XD k66 transmission
    https://www.husqvarna.com/us/product...8xd/960430242/

    GT48DXLS k66 transmission (would be a leftover since it was replaced by the TS348XD)
    https://maine.craigslist.org/grd/d/2...581742787.html
    https://www.southsidesales.com/husqvarna-gt48dxls

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    Re: Zero Turn Mower Advice

    very close to pulling the trigger on a Husqvarna TS 348XD...got a price of $3500 for the tractor and $400 for the bagger from the local hardware store...MSRP price on the husqvarna website is $3400 so i assume the extra $100 is for assembly and setup for the dealer...i think i'm going to save $100 and just buy the bagger from lowes and install it myself and buy the mower from them

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    Re: Zero Turn Mower Advice

    well i now have one of these to cut the lawn with as well as move things around...i just have to order the bagger from lowes...looks like i'm going to have to modify the bagger right off the bat judging by the reviews of it

    TS348XD
    Husqvarna Riding Lawn Mowers TS348XD

    TS348XD bagger
    Shop Husqvarna 48-in 3BIN Bagger Clearcut Tractor at Lowes.com

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