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    stands up for the CIVIL RIGHTS of a 14 yr old girl, who was dating(sleeping with) a felon..... And the Supreme court agrees









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    lol. the aclu, eh? worthless organization.

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    part of the problem not the solution..

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    I've never understood why so many Republicans hate the ACLU.

    Its the AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION - they stick up for civil liberties. How is that bad?

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    It would be (and used to be) very useful. Now they're a left-wing fringe that fights for NAMBLA (if you don't know what that is, do a search, it might shock you). Also, going after the Pentagon/ military to stop sponsering Boy Scouts because 1)they don't allow homosexual scoutmasters and 2)numerous references to God.

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    Sounds like it needs new leadership. I dont follow their actions all that closely, but my boss has some sort of leadership position with them here in Vermont, and the work they do here is excellent.

    And of course I know what NAMBLA is, I'm a member......

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    Originally posted by highsider
    I've never understood why so many Republicans hate the ACLU.

    Its the AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION - they stick up for civil liberties. How is that bad?


    1st they just helped to aquit a convicted criminal because his girlfriends mother infringed on her 14 yr olds civil liberties, sorry there but last time I checked it was every parent right to spy on thier children in order to keep them out of harms way, but that's just Dustin the DAD talking I guess....



    2nd They out rightly support NAMBLA, they support Man Boy Love, that is wayyyyy out of control, but again that's just Dustin the Dad speaking

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    Well, Dustin the Dad......

    The bit with the 14 year old was a bunch of horseshit, I dont know much about it, but children's rights is a really sticky area. But no, I dont think phone priveleges should be protected for 14 year olds.

    But you are wrong - they dont "support" man boy love, thats just silly. The job of the ACLU is basically to stick up for everyone's civil rights, no matter how distasteful they are. The ACLU is simply a necessary evil; if there was no one filling that position in out courts, the whole "checks and balances" system wouldn't work.



    P.S. - If I'm bad, Dustin the Dad, will you spank me?

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    P.S. - If I'm bad, Dustin the Dad, will you spank me?


    Nah I'll just take away you NAMBLA card

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    Originally posted by highsider
    Well, Dustin the Dad......

    The bit with the 14 year old was a bunch of horseshit, I dont know much about it, but children's rights is a really sticky area. But no, I dont think phone priveleges should be protected for 14 year olds.

    But you are wrong - they dont "support" man boy love, thats just silly. The job of the ACLU is basically to stick up for everyone's civil rights, no matter how distasteful they are. The ACLU is simply a necessary evil; if there was no one filling that position in out courts, the whole "checks and balances" system wouldn't work.



    P.S. - If I'm bad, Dustin the Dad, will you spank me?
    So child molestation is a civil-right? Splain that to me...

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    Originally posted by bentbryan
    So child molestation is a civil-right? Splain that to me...
    No, obviously molesting kids isn't a civil right. But those waste-of-oxygen members of NAMBLA have meetings wherein they get together. The ACLU doesn't protect their right to touch kids, just their right to hang out together and talk about it. It sucks, but its a necessary evil to keep balance.

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    Originally posted by highsider
    I've never understood why so many Republicans hate the ACLU.

    Its the AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION - they stick up for civil liberties. How is that bad?
    it is just like every other worthless liberal social organization...

    started off as a good idea then got perverted into shit....

    how about this why the fuck is the ACLU making statments regarding the Abu Graib incident and the POW's?

    they are conducting themselves just like the other liberal orgs....they will go to any lengths to spit venom at the president....

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    Originally posted by highsider
    No, obviously molesting kids isn't a civil right. But those waste-of-oxygen members of NAMBLA have meetings wherein they get together. The ACLU doesn't protect their right to touch kids, just their right to hang out together and talk about it. It sucks, but its a necessary evil to keep balance.
    you said yourself you do not really know a lot about them...yet you are trying to defend... WHY?

    just because the title SOUNDS good does not mean what they do is.....

    ACLU has turned into a political group....the only liberties they stick up for are the liberal adgenda

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    Originally posted by bigred875
    it is just like every other worthless liberal social organization...

    started off as a good idea then got perverted into shit....

    how about this why the fuck is the ACLU making statments regarding the Abu Graib incident and the POW's?

    they are conducting themselves just like the other liberal orgs....they will go to any lengths to spit venom at the president....
    You're cool Ryan.

    The ACLU isn't *supposed* to be liberal. As a point of fact, there are quite a few Republican lawyers who are members. And while sometimes they take on cases that make you and I want to puke, thats their job.

    The ACLU is probably speaking out about the Abu Grahib (sp?) thing because they were prisoners in the custody of Americans. That being said, I really personally have no problem with what happened over there; there's a fucking war going on, what are we supposed to do, make sure they have pillow mints?

    "Liberal orgs" job is to spit venom at the President - he's a Republican, they're not. When (if) another Democrat is elected, conservative orgs will do the same thing.

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    Originally posted by bigred875
    ACLU has turned into a political group....the only liberties they stick up for are the liberal adgenda

    I'm glad there was something worth posting to take you away from vaca

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    Originally posted by bigred875
    you said yourself you do not really know a lot about them...yet you are trying to defend... WHY?

    just because the title SOUNDS good does not mean what they do is.....

    ACLU has turned into a political group....the only liberties they stick up for are the liberal adgenda
    I stand up for the ACLU because they are a good organization that helped my family. A government agency imposed a bunch of fines on my father, and it was ACLU lawyers that helped us, free of charge.

    And I really cant say that I see ANY political agenda at all. Can you show me some?

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    gov't agency fines ..... Well then good for you and pops that the ACLU worked out, but the old lady that was robbed needs to bew on the lookout cuase the fuck that robbed her got off scott free

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    gov't agency fines ..... Well then good for you and pops that the ACLU worked out, but the old lady that was robbed needs to bew on the lookout cuase the fuck that robbed her got off scott free
    Old lady.......

    My father was a used car wholesaler for quite a few years. He sold some kid a shitty old Saab for a couple hundred bucks, long story short, the kid tries to hook up a big sound system, manages to somehow fuck the wiring all up so that the cooling fan wouldn't come on anymore. The car overheats (but sounds great ) because there is no cooling fan, and blows a head gasket.

    The kid took my Dad to court, and the Judge laughed it out of the courtroom, told the kid to go pound sand. So the kid files a complaint with the DMV in NY, who tells my Dad to fix the kid's car. My Dad said no, he had already been to COurt about the whole thing, and Judge rules in his favor. The DMV said tough shit, and smacked my Dad with $4,000 in fines and revoked his license, with no due process or investigation.

    The ACLU lawyers got the whole thing wrapped up as far as the fines, my Dad still had to pay about $500 to get his license reinstated.

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    The ACLU does, sometimes, help good people (as in your case, hs). But, all too often, they represent the far left socialistic fringe of our society. Do you need any proof of my accusations? Well, where were they when Justice Moore in Alabama could have used their help? Or, why didn't they rush to help the kid in NH who wanted to pose for a picture with his skeet-shooting rifle in his yearbook?

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    The ACLU does, sometimes, help good people (as in your case, hs). But, all too often, they represent the far left socialistic fringe of our society. Do you need any proof of my accusations? Well, where were they when Justice Moore in Alabama could have used their help? Or, why didn't they rush to help the kid in NH who wanted to pose for a picture with his skeet-shooting rifle in his yearbook?
    They DID help out the kid with the gun in the yearbook pic. As far as I know, they still are giving him free counsel.

    Who is Justice Moore?

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    Re: ACLU

    Originally posted by SEVENSGT
    stands up for the CIVIL RIGHTS of a 14 yr old girl, who was dating(sleeping with) a felon..... And the Supreme court agrees



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    A child has no civil rights?
    at what age do you think a child gains civil rights?

    I think there might be a little more to the story, leave out some of the information and you can spin it any way you like

    I have heard too many good things (like highsiders story) about ACLU to think they are a liberal PAC

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    From the ACLU website....
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    The ACLU is our nation's guardian of liberty. We work daily in courts, legislatures and communities to defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties guaranteed to every person in this country by the Constitution and laws of the United States. Our job is to conserve America's original civic values - the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

    The American system of government is founded on two counterbalancing principles: that the majority of the people governs, through democratically elected representatives; and that the power even of a democratic majority must be limited, to ensure individual rights.

    Majority power is limited by the Constitution's Bill of Rights, which consists of the original ten amendments ratified in 1791, plus the three post-Civil War amendments (the Thirteenth, Fourteenth and Fifteenth) and the Nineteenth Amendment (women's suffrage), adopted in 1920.

    The mission of the ACLU is to preserve all of these protections and guarantees:

    Your First Amendment rights-freedom of speech, association and assembly. Freedom of the press, and freedom of religion supported by the strict separation of church and state.

    Your right to equal protection under the law - equal treatment regardless of race, sex, religion or national origin.

    Your right to due process - fair treatment by the government whenever the loss of your liberty or property is at stake.

    Your right to privacy - freedom from unwarranted government intrusion into your personal and private affairs.
    We work also to extend rights to segments of our population that have traditionally been denied their rights, including Native Americans and other people of color; lesbians, gay men, bisexuals and transgendered people; women; mental-health patients; prisoners; people with disabilities; and the poor.

    If the rights of society's most vulnerable members are denied, everybody's rights are imperiled.

    The ACLU was founded by Roger Baldwin, Crystal Eastman, Albert DeSilver and others in 1920. We are nonprofit and nonpartisan and have grown from a roomful of civil liberties activists to an organization of nearly 400,000 members and supporters. We handle nearly 6,000 court cases annually from our offices in almost every state.

    The ACLU has maintained the position that civil liberties must be respected, even in times of national emergency. The ACLU is supported by annual dues and contributions from its members, plus grants from private foundations and individuals. We do not receive any government funding. Learn more about joining the ACLU.
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    Sounds pretty good.....but why are they delving into international
    human rights/civil rights? IT'S NOT IN THEIR CHARTER!! Besides,
    we already have an organization capable of fucking that up royally...
    remember the UN?

    I personally don't see much similarity between the ACLU that was
    founded in 1920 and the organization as it exists today...and I do
    think they have an agenda that extends beyond their mission statement...
    pretty scary stuff when you factor in a judiciary that now makes law,
    instead of interpreting it.

    (Apologies in advance....I promised myself I wouldn't get into socio-political
    debates....my blood pressure, ya know...anyway, carry on. It's interesting
    watching the back and forth!)

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    Originally posted by highsider
    They DID help out the kid with the gun in the yearbook pic. As far as I know, they still are giving him free counsel.

    Who is Justice Moore?
    Judge Moore is the guy who put the stone 10 commandments in the courthouse...

    I believe you'd have to check the gory details of that case. 1) The law may not have given a group like the ACLU the ability to help him as he is in a special situation since he is a judge 2) He is a judge so he probably can represent himself 3) If he wasn't representing himself it is possible he declined an offer for help

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    Just an observation

    Thread hi-jacker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

    I was in court Monday and this girl was suing her dad or he was sueing her.

    They worked it out, told the judge and he dismissed the case.

    A "worthy" case. IMHO


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    Originally posted by highsider
    You're cool Ryan.

    The ACLU isn't *supposed* to be liberal. As a point of fact, there are quite a few Republican lawyers who are members. And while sometimes they take on cases that make you and I want to puke, thats their job.

    The ACLU is probably speaking out about the Abu Grahib (sp?) thing because they were prisoners in the custody of Americans. That being said, I really personally have no problem with what happened over there; there's a fucking war going on, what are we supposed to do, make sure they have pillow mints?

    "Liberal orgs" job is to spit venom at the President - he's a Republican, they're not. When (if) another Democrat is elected, conservative orgs will do the same thing.
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