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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl


    I didn't hunt through every post here so this may be old news...

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl

    Trial is still scheduled for October.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl

    Breaking news.

    Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, who was held captive by the Taliban for half a decade after abandoning his Afghanistan post, is expected to plead guilty to desertion and misbehavior before the enemy, two individuals with knowledge of the case said.

    The decision by the 31-year-old Idaho native leaves open whether he will return to captivity for years — this time in a U.S. prison — or receive a lesser sentence that reflects the time the Taliban held him under brutal conditions. He says he had been caged, kept in darkness, beaten and chained to a bed.

    Bergdahl could face up to five years on the desertion charge and a life sentence for misbehavior.
    Bergdahl expected to plead guilty to desertion, misbehavior - ABC News

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl

    I was kind of hoping for a trial. Now a lot of the facts will likely remain buried.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl

    Probably the smart choice for all concerned.

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    FORT BRAGG, N.C. (AP) A military judge ruled Friday that Bowe Bergdahl should serve no prison time for endangering his comrades by walking off his Afghanistan post......The judge also gave Bergdahl a dishonorable discharge, reduced his rank to private and said he must forfeit pay equal to $1,000 per month for 10 months. The judge made no other comments.
    Bergdahl gets no prison time, gets dishonorable discharge

    I thought for sure drumps divisive comments were going to end up causing a mistrial, guess in the end didn't really matter.

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    I did not serve but many who did must be upset

    I think he will be dead within 5 years somehow

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl

    Or perhaps he will come out of this with a better perspective and make some type of positive "penance" part of his life.

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    Maybe he will come out as a woman. Worked for Chelsea Manning.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl

    Quote Originally Posted by Stromper View Post
    I did not serve but many who did must be upset

    I think he will be dead within 5 years somehow

    I did. I am not upset.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl

    Seems to me it's almost for certain the dude has some rather significant mental illness issues goin on...

    I'm a little relieved the sentencing went as it did. Putting him in a US prison would have been fuckin pointless. He doesn't need prison time, he needs a fuckin therapist.

    The only "good" that prison time would have accomplished would have been to appease the pitchfork and torch people and justify their disdain.

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    He failed out of the USCG in 26 Days for “Psychological problems.” If you cannot handle the stress of basic training, you should not be in uniform.

    The Army granted him a waiver. Most waivers are for one-time transgressions. Granting someone with Psych problems a waiver to become a Paratrooper seems just nuts. He created hardship and misery and pain for a lot of Americans, and endured an astonishing level of cruelty in captivity and ruined his life in just about every way.

    Will the staffers who approved this waiver ever be held accountable? Not a chance.

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    Bowe Bergdahl Seeking New Trial or Clemency Due to Trump Comments | Military.com

    “The Army's Court of Criminal Appeals heard arguments Thursday in the ongoing case of Bowe Bergdahl, with the former soldier's attorneys contending that the case should be reconsidered or Berghdahl should be granted clemency because President Donald Trump's comments and tweets tainted the proceedings.”

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    As further sequel to this tragic tale, Master Sergeant Mark Allen, who was shot in the head and paralyzed while looking for Bergdahl, has died.

    https://www.stewartfh.com/obituaries/Msg-Mark-Allen/

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl

    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    He failed out of the USCG in 26 Days for “Psychological problems.” If you cannot handle the stress of basic training, you should not be in uniform.

    The Army granted him a waiver. Most waivers are for one-time transgressions. Granting someone with Psych problems a waiver to become a Paratrooper seems just nuts. He created hardship and misery and pain for a lot of Americans, and endured an astonishing level of cruelty in captivity and ruined his life in just about every way.

    Will the staffers who approved this waiver ever be held accountable? Not a chance.
    My experience with this is n=1, but I feel like its worth of a discussion or at least some griping from me because its frustrating as hell.

    At the beginning of this year my brother (19 at the time) decided to go into the army. He tried college, not for him. He was landscaping full time but knew it wasn't going anywhere. He called me one day saying how he went to the recruiting office, ended up testing really well, and had lots of mechanical/engineering jobs available. I was skeptical but after some research he had won me over and I helped him win my dad over. Next I get a call from him saying he wants to jump out of planes and be a truck driver. Clearly the recruiter or his friends had got to his head. I told him not to sign anything. I flew home and met with him and the recruiter. Recruiter changed his tone and I got my brother back on the mechanic mindset. While meeting with the recruiter, he also completely won me over; not with any propaganda bull shit, but with the vast opportunities the military offers. I was very impressed as I had never considered the military and never truly looked into what the army had to offer.

    So my brother files all his paperwork. He selects his job as a type of tank mechanic, and then heads down to MEPS in seaport. I get a call later that day saying they asked him for more paperwork. My brother is an honest kid. He had a reflex/habit as a kid for biting his wrist like one would suck their thumb. It left a lot of scar tissue and the doctors asked for the paperwork on it. No big deal, I was actually impressed that they wouldn't just accept him and had faith in the system.

    He gets them all his paperwork. 4 weeks later he is denied for a completely unrelated issue. Our mother passed away from cancer when he was 13 years old. While she was sick and thereafter, my family did the responsible thing and had my brother see a psychiatrist. Somewhere in the paperwork, it was written that my brother is "susceptible to PTSD" and he was denied. He was devastated. I did some googling on waivers. After reading stories of people getting waivers after seeing their parents brutally murdered in front them them or living with abusive parents, it seemed pretty logical that my brother could get one. I spoke with the recruiter and he said there was no chance. PTSD is something they take seriouslyand that it would be a no-go.

    So there you have it. Perfectly normal kid. Has done the right thing his entire life. Spent a lot of timing making a decision with a supportive family. Had a family that went out of the way to do the right thing for him and he's denied because of it.
    Meanwhile there is case after case after case of waivers and people with visible mental symptoms that should get them denied - but they get through. All things equal, if he did not see a psychiatrist he would be in the army.

    The only way I could explain it to him was that the army was "making an example out of him." "Look here everyone, we did our job and denied this person, don't tell us we're not doing our job."

    I get it. I understand that after seeing that written on his psychiatric paperwork they had no choice but to deny him. What I don't understand What I don't accept is how others get through on waivers yet he was denied. I love the idea of going to MEPS and having to meet and have a one-on-one conversation with someone. Like I said, they impressed me by turning him down until they learned more about the arm-biting. So much more can be learned from a 15 minute conversation than stacks of paperwork. I really like this protocol in MA when you try to receive a license for a firearm.

    Anyway, this is more of an semi-related gripe than anything else. He started an entry level non-union plumbing job and has gotten over the whole thing, but it was really tough for while. Having to explain to everyone what happened after being so excited. This was right around Christmas so he told the whole family, he received army focused gifts, boot camp supplies, etc. It was pretty heart braking.

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    Re: Bowe Bergdahl

    To add to your own story, there are plenty of mentally ill folks who "fall through the cracks" at recruiter offices everywhere. Whether it's a recruiter who is trying to hit a target enlistment number or someone who genuinely doesn't know at all honestly makes no difference. The fact that seeking out a psychologist and psychiatric care should be praised and certainly not be a disqualifier. I'd take someone who was cognizant of their own mental health over someone who has no clue any day of the week.

    Note, I've never been in the military, though I did try to join the Air Force at one point as a pilot and they said nah. I never got a clear answer from them as to why, but I'm glad things turned out the way they did.

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    JettaJayGLS, that does seem to reflect a new policy. In years past, pre-adolescent Psychological counseling, especially under those circumstances would probably have been treated as developmental. I always advise recruits to apply for the waiver anyway.

    Needed a waiver myself to enlist for Airborne and Ranger training, because I’d had knee surgery after a college injury. The USMC would take me physically but I needed an age waiver for their OCS as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    JettaJayGLS, that does seem to reflect a new policy. In years past, pre-adolescent Psychological counseling, especially under those circumstances would probably have been treated as developmental. I always advise recruits to apply for the waiver anyway.

    Needed a waiver myself to enlist for Airborne and Ranger training, because Id had knee surgery after a college injury. The USMC would take me physically but I needed an age waiver for their OCS as well.
    I told him to try waivers as well. However, the wind was so out of his sails as that point that he just kinda flopped over. It had been months since he made this decision, convinced me, convinced my family, picked his job, went to MEPS, did every single thing they asked etc. Its not easy for a kid to pick up the phone and get medical paperwork - he jumped through a lot of hoops and showed a level of responsibility I don't think I have ever seen from him. Our sister was having a kid in the end of January so he waited until then to file his paperwork and then it was a month long waiting before MEPS gave him any sort of response. I figured the recruiter gets rewarded based on # of people he enlists, so he would do everything he could to help get another one, so why lie about it? Also, at the end of the day, I wasn't thrilled about him going into the army - so not the worst outcome.

    The other thing that intrigued me was how respectful the recruiter was of my brothers privacy. He checked my brothers permission before saying anything to me. He told my brother he didn't want to talk over the phone - he definitely didn't want to talk to me at all. But I'm on the other side of the country - to get him to the recruiter on the phone, I had to basically sneak attack him by being on the line when my brother called. I see what they're doing. They build him up, treat him like an adult. It is incredibly effective. But he's only 19. He's looking to his family for advice and permission because he respects it. Maybe it was just a bad recruiter or maybe this is what makes a recruiter exceptional? Very eye opening for me personally. I don't hate it, but I also don't love it. If he let me do more and gave me more info, or maybe if I lived on that coast, maybe he would have made it through on waivers, I dunno.

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