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    Quote Originally Posted by e30addict View Post
    Mark also said it in the other thread. No one gets bent out of shape regarding the HUGE death toll drunk driving, texting while driving etc... has on society. Even when we do wake up and do something about those issues we don't take liquor away from ALL people because they can't handle it. We don't take cell phones away from ALL people because they refuse to not text and drive with them . We shouldn't take (or keep) guns away from ALL people because some of them can't handle them either.

    More and more it seems we're creating a nanny state that everyone loves to whine about, but on the other hand seems to unknowingly wish for.
    And no one dares to challenge a woman's right to choose, although the end result is the death of thousands of innocent unborn children. When that right is challenged, however, it is deemed as infringing upon rights.

    Funny how the whole situation changes when your personal rights are infringed upon.

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    Mark, how does your position here differ from your "sometimes people need to be protected from themselves" thought in a different thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by G21forme View Post
    And just an fyi you guys should look into the cost of legally obtaining a select fire firearm because it's crazy expensive. For some reason they get lumped into so called assault weapon arguments.
    Sorry, Im not a gun guy, select fire? I assume that means can run semi-auto to automatic at the flip of a switch?
    If so, I stand by my statement, why do you need a full auto?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pittenger5 View Post
    Liter bike: Mode of transportation --
    Cell Phone: communication
    Alcohol: Making ugly chicks attractive

    Assault rifles: (Go ahead, insert you relevant use for them here)
    You do not NEED a liter bike for transportation.
    You do not NEED a cell phone to communicate with people.
    You do not NEED alcohol to get laid.

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    Hey ginger....do you even know what an assault rifle is without googling it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sveesix View Post
    And no one dares to challenge a woman's right to choose, although the end result is the death of thousands of innocent unborn children. When that right is challenged, however, it is deemed as infringing upon rights.

    Funny how the whole situation changes when your personal rights are infringed upon.
    Not to stray to far from the subject but the term "unborn children" has no scientific basis and I choose to be offended by the use of the term.
    It suggests that there is no limit to what could be considered an unborn child, even before conception (i.e. the unfertilized egg, the sperm, even future generations).
    It is a term used by religions to oppress people and keep them producing followers.

    The correct scientific term is fetus.
    In the first trimester this fetus has no brain.
    It is the biological equivalent of a bowl of yogurt.
    Your dog has a higher level of awareness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pittenger5 View Post
    Liter bike: Mode of transportation
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    Assault rifles: (Go ahead, insert you relevant use for them here)
    Recreation, hunting, self defense. I think it's a bit strange that you see a need for a handgun but not a high cap rifle? You said you wouldn't hesitate to protect your family but a pistol is really a poor choice imho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    Hey ginger....do you even know what an assault rifle is without googling it?
    Who ginger? Me ginger?

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    Quote Originally Posted by G21forme View Post
    Recreation, hunting, self defense. I think it's a bit strange that you see a need for a handgun but not a high cap rifle? You said you wouldn't hesitate to protect your family but a pistol is really a poor choice imho.
    Especially someone who is relatively untrained.

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    Who ginger? Me ginger?
    Shit. Forgot there was 2. Meant db.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    Hey ginger....do you even know what an assault rifle is without googling it?
    Nope, sorry. Ive openly admit I'm not a gun person. And like it or not, the majority in the gun control are people like me. Id welcome an education, maybe Ill change my mind. Maybe I wont.

    Quote Originally Posted by G21forme View Post
    Recreation, hunting, self defense. I think it's a bit strange that you see a need for a handgun but not a high cap rifle? You said you wouldn't hesitate to protect your family but a pistol is really a poor choice imho.
    What do I know, I dont have a liter bike either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G21forme View Post
    Recreation, hunting, self defense. I think it's a bit strange that you see a need for a handgun but not a high cap rifle? You said you wouldn't hesitate to protect your family but a pistol is really a poor choice imho.
    My understanding is the best choice for MOST people to protect one's family is a shotgun. And having seen what happens in the hands of most people with semi automatic weapon (AK 47? ) at the range, I'd think that was a really poor choice for home protection or hunting for that matter!

    But, I'm fine with someone owning one so long as they're licensed, trained, not a criminal and not mentally ill.

    I've been told that I could buy a gun from someone else and neither of us are obligated to report the transfer. That can't possibly be true though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pittenger5 View Post
    Sorry, Im not a gun guy, select fire? I assume that means can run semi-auto to automatic at the flip of a switch?
    If so, I stand by my statement, why do you need a full auto?
    Are you under the impression all AR'S are full auto? Besides semi auto fire is far more accurate and with some training and practice you can shoot FAST.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Sure View Post
    Mark, how does your position here differ from your "sometimes people need to be protected from themselves" thought in a different thread?
    Good point.

    Is all regulation bad? No. Sometimes it serves a good purpose for the greater good and society as a whole will benefit. I do believe there should be a balance between total anarchy and "mother may I?" I hate being told that I can't do something. However, I believe my position in the thread you referenced has a lot better chance at benefiting society as whole and to me that benefit outweighs the cost to some. Since I think the actual benefit outweighs the cost, I'd make that compromise. I also don't know if there's a better answer. That's why we should all get to debate it.

    In this particular case, a knee jerk reaction will most likely do more damage than good and still not accomplish the desired result. Similar to increased airport "security" after 9/11. A knee jerk reaction to a horrific tragedy that makes us feels better but in reality doesn't change much of anything in a positive way. In this case, I don't want to make that compromise. In this case, I do think there is a better answer. That's why we should all get to debate it.

    FWIW, I don't have any firearms and haven't fired one in years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DucDave View Post
    My understanding is the best choice for MOST people to protect one's family is a shotgun. And having seen what happens in the hands of most people with semi automatic weapon (AK 47? ) at the range, I'd think that was a really poor choice for home protection or hunting for that matter!

    But, I'm fine with someone owning one so long as they're licensed, trained, not a criminal and not mentally ill.

    I've been told that I could buy a gun from someone else and neither of us are obligated to report the transfer. That can't possibly be true though...
    It is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DucDave View Post
    But, I'm fine with someone owning one so long as they're licensed, trained, not a criminal and not mentally ill.
    What about living with someone that is by all accounts mentally ill? In this CT case from whats known now, the guns were legally registered to his mother, he was mentally unstable, and he lived with her. Should she be required to give up her guns?

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    Quote Originally Posted by G21forme View Post
    Are you under the impression all AR'S are full auto? Besides semi auto fire is far more accurate and with some training and practice you can shoot FAST.




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    Ok, well maybe I could be convinced that instead of assault rifles, all full auto guns should be banned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pittenger5 View Post
    Nope, sorry. Ive openly admit I'm not a gun person. And like it or not, the majority in the gun control are people like me. Id welcome an education, maybe Ill change my mind. Maybe I wont.



    What do I know, I dont have a liter bike either.
    So you are against something you know nothing about and don't know the definition of. Wtf? How can you be against something if you don't know what it is that you're against?

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    Look up the nfa of 86 then google the price of a legal m16.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pittenger5 View Post
    Ok, well maybe I could be convinced that instead of assault rifles, all full auto guns should be banned.
    Because that clearly would prevent violence since there are tons of instances when a fully auto weapon was used to kill masses of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gadget View Post
    Not to stray to far from the subject but the term "unborn children" has no scientific basis and I choose to be offended by the use of the term.
    It suggests that there is no limit to what could be considered an unborn child, even before conception (i.e. the unfertilized egg, the sperm, even future generations).
    It is a term used by religions to oppress people and keep them producing followers.

    The correct scientific term is fetus.
    In the first trimester this fetus has no brain.
    It is the biological equivalent of a bowl of yogurt.
    Your dog has a higher level of awareness.
    Take offense, it is not my problem. I am by no means a religious person (and I graduated with a degree in Theological Studies), but, by your logic, the children that were massacred the other day were still developing both physically and mentally, just as a fetus is on it's way to become a child. Life is life. Let's not get into it here. Pardon me for bringing it up in this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pittenger5 View Post
    What about living with someone that is by all accounts mentally ill? In this CT case from whats known now, the guns were legally registered to his mother, he was mentally unstable, and he lived with her. Should she be required to give up her guns?
    Again, it boils down to the responsibility of the person, not the firearm. She should have not been required to give up anything, but she should have been a more responsible firearm owner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    So you are against something you know nothing about and don't know the definition of. Wtf? How can you be against something if you don't know what it is that you're against?
    51 percent of the country just did the same thing in this past election.

    Quote Originally Posted by G21forme View Post
    Look up the nfa of 86 then google the price of a legal m16.
    Also, I would look up the ATF definitions of semi-automatic and automatic. Obtaining an automatic weapon is a process already greatly restricted, and cost 10-20k dollars for the sear. Automatic versus semi-automatic is not the issue here. The media is the only one pressing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    Because that clearly would prevent violence since there are tons of instances when a fully auto weapon was used to kill masses of people.
    Using that logic then, we should ban all firearms. Since there ARE tons of instances when a firearm was used to kill masses of people.
    And Ive said it a hundred times, Im not a gun person. Im not educated about them. I was also afraid of pit bulls until I got one and learned about them, now I love them. Is it a right way of doing things? Of course not, but its how I, and probably most of the world, works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pittenger5 View Post
    Using that logic then, we should ban all firearms. Since there ARE tons of instances when a firearm was used to kill masses of people.
    And Ive said it a hundred times, Im not a gun person. Im not educated about them. I was also afraid of pit bulls until I got one and learned about them, now I love them. Is it a right way of doing things? Of course not, but its how I, and probably most of the world, works.
    So you are giving yourself an excuse to be uninformed...sweet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pittenger5 View Post
    Using that logic then, we should ban all firearms. Since there ARE tons of instances when a firearm was used to kill masses of people. And Ive said it a hundred times, Im not a gun person. Im not educated about them. I was also afraid of pit bulls until I got one and learned about them, now I love them. Is it a right way of doing things? Of course not, but its how I, and probably most of the world, works.
    How about we also ban knives, and swords, and wait, even butter knives. You know, forks are sharp as well. Spoons may be deadly too. Fuck it, anything metal should be turned in for melting!

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    Another thing to think about is what would you consider an "assault weapon" . Is a glock? Is an uzi?

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