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    Quote Originally Posted by sveesix View Post
    51 percent of the country just did the same thing in this past election.



    Also, I would look up the ATF definitions of semi-automatic and automatic. Obtaining an automatic weapon is a process already greatly restricted, and cost 10-20k dollars for the sear. Automatic versus semi-automatic is not the issue here. The media is the only one pressing it.
    The media wants to get them banned for militia purposes. Without weapons of war citizens would have a harder time taking up arms against the government. Which is the real reason the 2nd amendment is in place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G21forme View Post
    Another thing to think about is what would you consider an "assault weapon" . Is a glock? Is an uzi?
    Anything that you could pistol whip somebody with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by G21forme View Post
    Another thing to think about is what would you consider an "assault weapon" . Is a glock? Is an uzi?
    My mind, anything full auto, anything along the lines of AK47, AR15s, Uzis, anything like that. Basically anything in Call Of Duty thats not a shotgun or a pistol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    So you are giving yourself an excuse to be uninformed...sweet.
    Correct, because Im not voting, nor rallying about how we need to ban these weapons. I merely said I would not care if they were banned. If it came down to a vote, Id make sure to educate myself before I voted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G21forme View Post
    Recreation, hunting, self defense. I think it's a bit strange that you see a need for a handgun but not a high cap rifle? You said you wouldn't hesitate to protect your family but a pistol is really a poor choice imho.
    im with Richie. i see no logical reason for owning a fully automatic gun. like stated, you can shoot a semi auto rifle with great speed. a pistol isnt good enough to protect your family? it seems to be good enough to gun down 27 people in CT.


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    Not to stray to far from the subject but the term "unborn children" has no scientific basis and I choose to be offended by the use of the term.
    It suggests that there is no limit to what could be considered an unborn child, even before conception (i.e. the unfertilized egg, the sperm, even future generations).
    It is a term used by religions to oppress people and keep them producing followers.

    The correct scientific term is fetus.
    In the first trimester this fetus has no brain.
    It is the biological equivalent of a bowl of yogurt.
    Your dog has a higher level of awareness.
    i agree with you. if as an unborn child im considered to be "alive" then im actually (approx) 9 months older than i think i am.

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    My point Oxx was that ritchie believes a pistol is enough and that's his choice but not everyone shares that belief and it is and should be thier right to own something more powerful if they choose to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SVRACER01 View Post
    i agree with you. if as an unborn child im considered to be "alive" then im actually (approx) 9 months older than i think i am.
    I told myself I wouldn't post about this again in this thread, but fuck it. You are approximately 9 months older biologically. There is a difference between the birthday that we celebrate as a culture, and your actual age. The only reason your age is what it is, is because culturally, we celebrate your birth, not your date of conception. If we are to bring religion into this, the Roman Catholic Church even argues that life begins at "quickening," or when the movement of the fetus begins. This is usually around 10-12 weeks. So you are, in fact, just about six months older than your "celebrated age."

    Back on topic.

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    Weird, I just said this on facebook.

    Richie, guns are not for protecting yourself from a robber or crazy person, although they do come in handy for that.

    The Second Amendment is in place so that we can protect ourselves from our GOVERNMENT. If you want to fight with hand guns and BB guns, be my guest. I'll take my AR with a high powered scope and the ability to kill anyone that comes through my front gate (which is 3/4 a mile from my house) should the need arise.

    I am by no means a 'prepper', but I do see some very scary things going on in this world and in this country and if it comes down to it, I want to be fighting fire with fire... or ARs with ARs.

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    I think government should make sure the criminals have no way to obtain firearms, by legal means or by illegal means. I think it should make it so that people that are mentally ill should not obtain one. With that said, I'm in favor of gun control within reason, What I don't want is to make it harder for good standing citizens to legally obtain the firearms they want. With that said, you cant control the actions of one individual, sick fucks do sick things. People have a need to find a blame for something, the truth is there are sick people in this would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pittenger5 View Post
    That said, I STILL dont understand why anyone has a valid reason why they need
    if you don't understand, you probably never will

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    WOLVERINES !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by G21forme View Post
    My point Oxx was that ritchie believes a pistol is enough and that's his choice but not everyone shares that belief and it is and should be thier right to own something more powerful if they choose to do so.
    i agree. but i stand by my belief that banning full auto weapons would bother me in the least. someone would be hard pressed to convince me that they would need that kind of weapon. you cant hunt with it, and its not practical home defense. the only thing i can see it useful for is putting holes in paper which you can do with anything.

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    My understanding is the best choice for MOST people to protect one's family is a shotgun. And having seen what happens in the hands of most people with semi automatic weapon (AK 47? ) at the range, I'd think that was a really poor choice for home protection or hunting for that matter!

    But, I'm fine with someone owning one so long as they're licensed, trained, not a criminal and not mentally ill.


    I've been told that I could buy a gun from someone else and neither of us are obligated to report the transfer. That can't possibly be true though...
    Quote Originally Posted by G21forme View Post
    It is true.

    Wow...then it's no wonder it's so hard to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. That whole argument is specious. We really have no regulation once the firearm has been sold the first time...

    ...whatever...

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    Yes but in NH nics and the fbi and the gun store keep track of what you buy so selling to an ineligible person could come back on you but it's very hard to prove.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G21forme View Post
    Yes but in NH nics and the fbi and the gun store keep track of what you buy so selling to an ineligible person could come back on you but it's very hard to prove.
    That is why it's important to keep records detailing who you sold to. Once less weak link in the chain.

    I think a viable solution is to criminalizing face-to-face (FTF) transfers of firearms, requiring people to go through dealers and register their purchases.

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    Having lived in a number of countries that span the spectrum on gun control I have often thought about the following questions related to violent gun deaths:

    a. Is there a relationship to firearm availability and violent deaths?
    b. Do gun buyback programs work?
    c. Do more stringent gun control programs work?

    Obviously either the pro-gun or anti-gun groups are going to have their own (biased) point of view and sorting through that has historically been a mine field. Researching the Internet only further clouds any attempt at any rational answers. Then I recalled a horrific single shooter massacre in Australia some years back, quickly followed by tough new government gun control legislation.

    Now 16 years later would this be a good case study/research in an attempt to answer the above questions?

    BACKGROUND
    A 2012 study shows Australia has always had one of the lowest homicide rates per 100,000 per year with 1 homicide per 1000,000 population or 229 deaths by murder. By comparison the USA scores 4.2 or 12,996 deaths (see note 1 for details)

    Regarding Australia April 1996, a heavily armed lone gunman killed 35 people in what is called the “Port Author Massacre” (see note 2 for details).

    A catastrophic event such as the Port Author Massacre in any country is alarming but in a country with such a low homicide rate, Australians reacted to the event with widespread shock and horror (85% population demanding gun control). The political effects were significant and long-lasting. Within months the Australian Federal government reacted and put in place measures to ban the sale, importation and possession of all automatic and semi-automatic rifles and shotguns, and a buy-back scheme that pulled in close to 700,000 weapons. (See note 3 for details).

    Australia since then has one of the toughest gun controls of any country. Gun control and has been in force for over 16 years so is potentially a good case study to see if in-fact gun control works.

    CASE STUDY / RESEARCH
    I came across a very interesting research paper on gun control that includes the Australian 1996 shooting and subsequent tough gun control laws by Andrew Leigh, Research School of Economics, Australian National University and Christine Neill, Department of Economics, Wilfrid Laurier University (see note 4)

    For those that don’t wish to read the 49 page paper in summary the paper concludes tighter gun controls led to a substantial reduction in firearm related deaths overall and in particular firearm suicides with no significant effect on non firearm suicidal death rates.
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    Note 3
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia

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    http://andrewleigh.org/pdf/GunBuyback_Panel.pdf

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    What was the change in thier murder rate?

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    registration is the first step in confiscation, when they wanna come get them, they know where they are

    gun ownership is not a privelege, its a right

    I think school boards should wise up and put NRA type gun safety course as part of the cirriculum in 5th or 6th grade

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    Quote Originally Posted by G21forme View Post
    What was the change in thier murder rate?
    IN addition there were thirteen mass shootings in Australiaduring the period 197996, but none in the decade 19972006.
    http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/gun...-in-australia/

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    If you want a gun you should only be able to aquire one from the police dept. With all the background checks a license would require.
    Gun shops can continue to sell amunitions aqnd accessories, just not guns

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    Idk the assault weapons ban ended in 2004 and from 2000_2009 our murder rate dropped 10%. I don't think the two have anything to do with each other and would also dismiss the stats from australia as not that conclusive. Flame suit engaged

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    I agree the Australian stats are not conclusive, the statistical database is to small for any real analysis. Although the Research paper's narrative is quite informative as it more expansive than just Australia

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    Quote Originally Posted by SVRACER01 View Post
    i agree. but i stand by my belief that banning full auto weapons would bother me in the least. someone would be hard pressed to convince me that they would need that kind of weapon. you cant hunt with it, and its not practical home defense. the only thing i can see it useful for is putting holes in paper which you can do with anything.
    Again, it depends on whom you are defending your home from. The Second Amendment isn't to help us shoot burglars, it's to help us overthrow a government that oversteps its boundaries.

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    Lots of derp in this thread.

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    To me its a way bigger issue that you guys on this forum are probly already aware. We are moving AWAY from democracy around here and towards a dictatorship/totalitarian government. If we only let police issue guns then we are in a police state.

    We as citizens lost huge amounts of personal rights since 911. Not to at all be disrespectful of this recent incident but look at how many people were killed last year by texting drivers. Those were women, children and men. Exponentially higher number but gets unnoticed as collateral damage.

    Just saying, a knee jerk reaction to this would only forfiet more of our rights.

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