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    Re: Give up Your Guns?


    "whataboutism"


    YEAH BUT WHAT ABOUT TRAFFIC DEATHS?

    YEAH BUT WHAT ABOUT DRUG DEATHS?



    You guys are using the same level of flawed argument that our idiot president uses to steer the conversation away from the topic at hand. Congrats. Must feel good to be like trump.

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    Re: Give up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by dhuze View Post

    Also calling it a school shooting is lame. He started somewhere else and ended up at a school.

    And tried VERY hard to get in via multiple means, according to newly released reports.

    So yeah, he tried to get in to gun down a shit ton of kids. Ya know what helped prevent those kids getting killed? Locks on doors.

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    well then staying on topic i think we should get that computer that predicts crime like the show "person of interest"...then this will never be an issue again...i'm sure apple is just waiting for xmas to roll it out

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    And tried VERY hard to get in via multiple means, according to newly released reports.

    So yeah, he tried to get in to gun down a shit ton of kids. Ya know what helped prevent those kids getting killed? Locks on doors.

    unpossible. it can only be a "good guy with a gun."
    Dont mess up the arc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Point37 View Post
    well then staying on topic i think we should get that computer that predicts crime like the show "person of interest"...then this will never be an issue again...i'm sure apple is just waiting for xmas to roll it out
    apparently, I need to start watching tv too.

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    Re: Give up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    And tried VERY hard to get in via multiple means, according to newly released reports.

    So yeah, he tried to get in to gun down a shit ton of kids. Ya know what helped prevent those kids getting killed? Locks on doors.
    When the best thing we can say about a fatal mass shooting is "Well, at least he didn't get to shoot any children", we have failed.

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    Re: Give up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    And tried VERY hard to get in via multiple means, according to newly released reports.

    So yeah, he tried to get in to gun down a shit ton of kids. Ya know what helped prevent those kids getting killed? Locks on doors.
    what else would have helped is an armed security officer or cop at the front door waiting for him in case he got in as well as to call for backup

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    Quote Originally Posted by Point37 View Post
    what else would have helped is an armed security officer or cop at the front door waiting for him in case he got in as well as to call for backup
    you know who is going to work those jobs? trigger happy, doughy fuckers with hero complexes. no thanks.
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    Re: Give up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    "whataboutism"


    YEAH BUT WHAT ABOUT TRAFFIC DEATHS?

    YEAH BUT WHAT ABOUT DRUG DEATHS?



    You guys are using the same level of flawed argument that our idiot president uses to steer the conversation away from the topic at hand. Congrats. Must feel good to be like trump.
    Same could be said for the gun control crowd....

    Suicides? But what about automatic high powered "assault"weapons.....

    Gangs? What about background checks?

    Hate crime? What about "high capacity" magazines.

    Constant misdirection from the real issue, but zomg kids, so it's okay

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    you know who is going to work those jobs? trigger happy, doughy fuckers with hero complexes. no thanks.
    farva's.
    Typically it's the vets who get those jobs. Just saying.

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    Re: Give up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    And tried VERY hard to get in via multiple means, according to newly released reports.

    So yeah, he tried to get in to gun down a shit ton of kids. Ya know what helped prevent those kids getting killed? Locks on doors.
    What if someone could have stopped him sooner? No one talks about that. Two sides to the coin.

    The locks were good until someone with a gun showed up and killed him....

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    Quote Originally Posted by e30addict View Post

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    Typically it's the vets who get those jobs. Just saying.

    what fucking rock do you live under?

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    Re: Give up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    what fucking rock do you live under?
    Seriously? The preference for the police is to hire vets. Good luck getting a LEO job in MA unless you're a minority, a vet or family. That seems to be the preference in a lot of other places too.

    We wouldn't be talking about the militarization of police if the force wasn't compromised of people familiar with that mind set.

    We go further and further from community style policing towards "eliminate the threat" and ask questions later each year. I wonder why that is...

    So yeah, if we station cops at schools there is a high likelihood they will be a vet, not the fat slob you seem to think has a hard on for killing someone to prove their manhood cause trigger happy mother fucker with hero complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by e30addict View Post
    Same could be said for the gun control crowd....

    Suicides? But what about automatic high powered "assault"weapons.....

    Gangs? What about background checks?

    Hate crime? What about "high capacity" magazines.

    Constant misdirection from the real issue, but zomg kids, so it's okay
    You're ability to shrug off mass murder as "just going to happen and nothing we can do about it" is telling.

    Suicides will happen. There are suicide prevention hotlines, outreach programs, crisis centers, etc. Society is TRYING many methods to reducing them.

    Hate crimes will happen. There are educational programs, stricter LAWS/PUNISHMENTS, public "outing" of bigots, etc. Society is TRYING to reduce hate crimes. Not just "eh, gunna happen, so whatevs".

    So yeah, constant misdirection. You can use that flawed argument for anything. The anti's are not the enemy. They are grasping at straws trying to do SOMETHING about an issue that you seem to be absolutely fine with, just so you can have your toy. If you are going to use misdirection in nearly all your arguments, don't bat an eye at them doing the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    you know who is going to work those jobs? trigger happy, doughy fuckers with hero complexes. no thanks.
    farva's.
    so dough aside you'd rather rely solely on the locks for the protection of a school vs adding an extra layer of armed security?...i think colorado, oregon and pennsylvania allow teachers to conceal carry in school...which would be another layer of protection that wouldn't cost as much as armed security

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    Quote Originally Posted by e30addict View Post
    So yeah, if we station cops at schools there is a high likelihood they will be a vet, not the fat slob you seem to think has a hard on for killing someone to prove their manhood cause trigger happy mother fucker with hero complex.
    So which one of those is the TX church shooter?

    Fat slob gun nut with a hard on towards shooting?

    Or a vet?

    I mean, no chance that a vet could ever be a mass shooter. Nope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Point37 View Post
    so dough aside you'd rather rely solely on the locks for the protection of a school vs adding an extra layer of armed security?
    I'd venture a guess that he would rather we didn't need to have this discussion at all. THAT is the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by e30addict View Post
    Seriously? The preference for the police is to hire vets. Good luck getting a LEO job in MA unless you're a minority, a vet or family. That seems to be the preference in a lot of other places too.

    We wouldn't be talking about the militarization of police if the force wasn't compromised of people familiar with that mind set.

    We go further and further from community style policing towards "eliminate the threat" and ask questions later each year. I wonder why that is...

    So yeah, if we station cops at schools there is a high likelihood they will be a vet, not the fat slob you seem to think has a hard on for killing someone to prove their manhood cause trigger happy mother fucker with hero complex.
    You are out of touch with the current state of civil service.
    Ps: most school systems do have a “school resource officer”, but whomever gets/takes the security guard position will likely not be an actual police officer. It’ll be a mall cop.
    They’re cheaper all the way around.

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    Re: Give up Your Guns?

    New law:

    If you want your guns, fully auto, big mags, bump stocks, tacti-cool mall hero shit, there is two requirements.

    1. Pass a background check.

    2. You must log 8 hours a month guarding a local public school.


    I mean, put up, or shut up, right? Just takes one good guy with a gun, bla bla bla, right?


    Service to your country.

    Remember, "Freedom isn't free".

    "enemies, foreign and domestic"

    Well, here is your chance to "pay" for your freedom, specifically, the right to bear arms. Defend against domestic enemies.


    Hmmm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    You're ability to shrug off mass murder as "just going to happen and nothing we can do about it" is telling.

    Suicides will happen. There are suicide prevention hotlines, outreach programs, crisis centers, etc. Society is TRYING many methods to reducing them.

    Hate crimes will happen. There are educational programs, stricter LAWS/PUNISHMENTS, public "outing" of bigots, etc. Society is TRYING to reduce hate crimes. Not just "eh, gunna happen, so whatevs".

    So yeah, constant misdirection. You can use that flawed argument for anything. The anti's are not the enemy. They are grasping at straws trying to do SOMETHING about an issue that you seem to be absolutely fine with, just so you can have your toy. If you are going to use misdirection in nearly all your arguments, don't bat an eye at them doing the same.


    Holy shit.
    Yeah, no. The anti gun people aren't trying to "do something". They are anti-gun. They don't want them around period.

    We don't ask to ban trucks when crazy fuckers drive into crowds.

    We don't ban pressure cookers when crazy fuckers blow up runners.

    We don't call for banning any other object when some crazy fucker uses it for evil.

    When it comes to guns there is a complete disconnect. All of a sudden it's the object that is the issue.

    Yes, the antis ARE the enemy. Everything they have or propose has failed over and over again yet they always want more. The more always seems to affect the innocent and does nothing to prevent any of this. So yes, they ARE the enemy. They know full well what they propose is b.s. yet they do it anyway because they can capitalize on the fear to further their agenda. That's not tin hat, that's reality. History has proven that over and over and over.

    Turn off the t.v. and open your eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by e30addict View Post
    Yeah, no. The anti gun people aren't trying to "do something". They are anti-gun. They don't want them around period.

    We don't ask to ban trucks when crazy fuckers drive into crowds.

    We don't ban pressure cookers when crazy fuckers blow up runners.

    We don't call for banning any other object when some crazy fucker uses it for evil.

    When it comes to guns there is a complete disconnect. All of a sudden it's the object that is the issue.

    Yes, the antis ARE the enemy. Everything they have or propose has failed over and over again yet they always want more. The more always seems to affect the innocent and does nothing to prevent any of this. So yes, they ARE the enemy. They know full well what they propose is b.s. yet they do it anyway because they can capitalize on the fear to further their agenda. That's not tin hat, that's reality. History has proven that over and over and over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by e30addict View Post
    Yeah, no. The anti gun people aren't trying to "do something". They are anti-gun. They don't want them around period.

    We don't ask to ban trucks when crazy fuckers drive into crowds.

    We don't ban pressure cookers when crazy fuckers blow up runners.

    We don't call for banning any other object when some crazy fucker uses it for evil.

    When it comes to guns there is a complete disconnect. All of a sudden it's the object that is the issue.

    Yes, the antis ARE the enemy. Everything they have or propose has failed over and over again yet they always want more. The more always seems to affect the innocent and does nothing to prevent any of this. So yes, they ARE the enemy. They know full well what they propose is b.s. yet they do it anyway because they can capitalize on the fear to further their agenda. That's not tin hat, that's reality. History has proven that over and over and over.

    Turn off the t.v. and open your eyes.
    Wait, I thought you said misdirection was bad?

    We're talking about mass shootings. Not vehicular homicides. Not weapons of mass destruction (bombs).

    You are just as bad as an anti. Drop the misdirection. Let's talk about mass shootings, and mass shootings only. There is no moral equivalency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    You are out of touch with the current state of civil service.
    Ps: most school systems do have a “school resource officer”, but whomever gets/takes the security guard position will likely not be an actual police officer. It’ll be a mall cop.
    They’re cheaper all the way around.
    Great. Protect kids with the lowest bidder. I guess we don't really care that much after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    They’re all coming to get you! Not anybody else, just you!
    THE ENEMY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT MASS SHOOTINGS, NOT THE MASS SHOOTERS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by e30addict View Post
    Great. Protect kids with the lowest bidder. I guess we don't really care that much after all.
    I'll show as much interest in protecting your 1st amendment rights as you show protecting my kid at school from a wacko gunmen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FriskyDingo View Post
    Not sure if you guys saw this story earlier this week, but umm:

    Army lifts ban on cutters, mentally ill and drug abusers to meet recruiting goals | Fox News

    Kinda scary
    This has nothing to do with this debate, frankly.

    I’ve been stating all along in the Bergdahl thread that a man like him should never have been a Paratrooper, let alone be in the service. The people who granted him a waiver will never be held accountable.

    When enough able-bodied and able-minded men do not step up, either politicians have to constrain the objectives they’ve tasked the military to accomplish, or they reduce standards until they have enough bodies. Most waivers are for minor drug offenses, but not all. It’s a vicious circle because the high speed low drag troopers don’t want to deal with chowderheads.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    I'll show as much interest in protecting your 1st amendment rights as you show protecting my kid at school from a wacko gunmen.
    There is plenty of research on who commits mass shootings, why they do it, and ways to stop it. It is very uncomfortable to learn about, but most law enforcement agencies have a good idea of how to respond. Most school districts are in denial.

    Remember that crazy idea first proposed by President Clinton, later by President Bush to have armed guards in schools?

    More Armed Officers to Protect Newtown Schools - Newtown, CT Patch

    There is a group studying “Force Protection” at Natick Labs. AFAIK they never talk to school districts. An angry teenager could break into my son’s school with a fist-sized rock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    I'd venture a guess that he would rather we didn't need to have this discussion at all. THAT is the point.
    we all would but we also know that's fairy tale land at this point...how do you prevent people from going nuts/snapping or whatever you want to call it?...you can't totally...mandate that all US citizens be mentally evaluated yearly?...because what does it matter the method of killing...anyone can do it if they really want to...don't forget to test the illegals too though...you can make criminals prohibited persons and hope the paperwork is processed properly and promptly...you can convict and keep these criminals in prison...you can bring back the death penalty and try to eradicate this type of mindset from breeding...you can bring back insane asylums...you can try to help people with mental issues with drugs and counseling...

    instead of mass shooters these people should be called domestic terrorists and treated as such...by the way is tsarnaev been executed yet?...lets speed this process up

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    Wait, I thought you said misdirection was bad?

    We're talking about mass shootings. Not vehicular homicides. Not weapons of mass destruction (bombs).

    You are just as bad as an anti. Drop the misdirection. Let's talk about mass shootings, and mass shootings only. There is no moral equivalency.
    Charleston... hate crime, let's talk about guns though.

    Orlando.... hate crime, let's talk about guns though.

    San Bernadino.... yeah, that's about guns too, we can't talk about what really happened because they were brown.

    And the favorite of the grave standers, Sandy Hook. Psycho who killed his mother and broke into a storage cabinet after failing a background check......yeah that was all about the guns too. We need to do something!!!!!

    How many people were shot in Chicago this month alone? Oh wait, people dying in 1s and 2s don't matter, we only want to talk about 4 or more because that's the real issue

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