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    Re: Give up Your Guns?


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    That would be like stickers equalling more horsepower or something. The universe simply won't allow it.

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    Re: Give up Your Guns?

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    Car accidents and heart disease don't walk into a church and kill you...
    It may not be a church, but...


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    Re: Give up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by OreoGaborio View Post
    Someone has a lot of stickers I take it. That must be why you're fast isn't it. All about the stickers

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    Re: Give up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by e30addict View Post
    Someone has a lot of stickers I take it. That must be why you're fast isn't it. All about the stickers
    I LITERALLY just bought these... because of this convo and the fact that I got protested for an illegal motor build in October.

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    Re: Give up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by gixxer72 View Post
    Super Killy Death Spewer. I'm hearing exactly what your saying.

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    I say find a solution that doesn't trample rights. How's that?
    30's words. I think he uses them so they sound cute and cuddly, but I don't know.
    His doughy ass probably snuggles with them shits like a kitten judging by his general tone about the things.

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    Re: Give up Your Guns?

    Cars run in to buildings all the time and have killed people.

    Even without guns, people will find ways to kill other people. A box cutter did a lot of damage.

    And for some reason, the story of the good guy with an AR-15 who shot the wacko and then flagged down a passing driver to chase the dude and shot him and his car is missing from many of the headlines.

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    Re: Give up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuvDog View Post
    Cars run in to buildings all the time and have killed people.

    Even without guns, people will find ways to kill other people. A box cutter did a lot of damage.

    And for some reason, the story of the good guy with an AR-15 who shot the wacko and then flagged down a passing driver to chase the dude and shot him and his car is missing from many of the headlines.
    because its irrelevant. Tx shooter killed himself according to local law enforcement.

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    Re: Give up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    30's words. I think he uses them so they sound cute and cuddly, but I don't know.
    His doughy ass probably snuggles with them shits like a kitten judging by his general tone about the things.
    My ass is not doughy, and while I may not be "gifted" it's still big enough that you would scream like a little girl, truck or not.

    I only snuggle with an actual cat btw, the guns sleep in a MA approved storage container so they don't go on a murderous rampage while I sleep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    because its irrelevant. Tx shooter killed himself according to local law enforcement.
    I haven't heard that confirmed... some reports are that the neighbor to the church shot him a couple of times and that's what ended up causing him to die. Much like JFK, we may not know the true answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by e30addict View Post
    My ass is not doughy, and while I may not be "gifted" it's still big enough that you would scream like a little girl, truck or not.

    I only snuggle with an actual cat btw, the guns sleep in a MA approved storage container so they don't go on a murderous rampage while I sleep.
    if you use enough lube I might be begging for more.

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    Re: Give up Your Guns?

    I own guns because I enjoy things that involve fire, explosions and loud noises. I would not want to give any of that up because of the small subset of individuals that do not have control over one's self.

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    Re: Give up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    30's words. I think he uses them so they sound cute and cuddly, but I don't know.
    His doughy ass probably snuggles with them shits like a kitten judging by his general tone about the things.
    Oops. Total comprehension failure on my end!

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    Re: Give up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    because its irrelevant. Tx shooter killed himself according to local law enforcement.
    You keep saying that, but everything points to the fact the guy stopped killing people when he encountered resistance from a bystander. If that bystander hadn't intervened more people would have died.

    What is irrelevant is not whether the guy suffered the fatal shot by his own hand or not.

    That intervention from the bystander prevented further loss of life. You don't get to discount that because it doesn't fit the narrative you apparently want.

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    so dude (good guy) gets a pass for slinging lead anywhere he wants, as long as it's in the general direction of other dude. You can write off his misses?

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    Can someone please explain the rationale for the pro-gun side? Is it because you want the right to bear arms against a government that could potentially become oppressive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    so dude (good guy) gets a pass for slinging lead anywhere he wants, as long as it's in the general direction of other dude. You can write off his misses?
    Yes. Would you write off a cops misses if he were trying to stop murder?

    Curious as to why good guy with gun gets no props from you...is it because none of us should have guns?

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    Re: Give up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    so dude (good guy) gets a pass for slinging lead anywhere he wants, as long as it's in the general direction of other dude. You can write off his misses?
    Not sure where I said or even implied that.

    Whether or not he was reckless doesn't change the fact that more people are alive because of it though.

    BTW, what's the hit rate from the police when they fire weapons? Google shows 18-30%.

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    Re: Give up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by xxaarraa View Post
    Can someone please explain the rationale for the pro-gun side? Is it because you want the right to bear arms against a government that could potentially become oppressive?
    It's our right to own firearms. Does there really need to be more explanation?

    Can someone explain the anti gun side? Is it because like everyone else they have no fucking clue how to eliminate murder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxer72 View Post
    It's our right to own firearms. Does there really need to be more explanation?

    Can someone explain the anti gun side? Is it because like everyone else they have no fucking clue how to eliminate murder?
    Are you able to have a legitimate discussion without resorting to insults or swear words?

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    Re: Give up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by xxaarraa View Post
    Are you able to have a legitimate discussion without resorting to insults or swear words?
    Perhaps when the anti gun side has more than emotional arguments and stops calling us baby killers if we dare to disagree with them.

    Until that happens, fuck no. The low road it is.

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    Re: Give up Your Guns?

    Our founding fathers recognized that if we didn't have our right to bear arms then we would never have been an independent country to begin with.

    So they wrote the amendment to restrict the ability of the government to ever take that away from us. The 2nd amendment doesn't give us the right, it limits the governments ability to infringe on that right.

    Maybe if someone in the church had a gun on them, then the death toll would be less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuvDog View Post
    Our founding fathers recognized that if we didn't have our right to bear arms then we would never have been an independent country to begin with.

    So they wrote the amendment to restrict the ability of the government to ever take that away from us. The 2nd amendment doesn't give us the right, it limits the governments ability to infringe on that right.
    Got it, thanks. That's what I thought, but wanted to make sure.

    What I find puzzling is how anachronistic the 2nd amendment is, in the modern world where Governments have things called nuclear bombs, drones, chemical weapons, satellite weapons, aircraft carriers..... Individual citizens having guns doesn't guarantee even a modicum of security against an oppressive government because the balance of power has shifted so far out of bounds. Said another way, in the 1700s, guns and perhaps canons were the most destructive weapon around. Individual weapons weren't that different from government's weapons, except perhaps in just sheer numbers. A bunch of farmers could band together and fight the oppressor successfully.

    It is not the case in the 21st century, and so I find it amusing that people still want to hold on to their guns thinking it gives them some defense against the government.

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    Re: Give up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by xxaarraa View Post
    Got it, thanks. That's what I thought, but wanted to make sure.

    What I find puzzling is how anachronistic the 2nd amendment is, in the modern world where Governments have things called nuclear bombs, drones, chemical weapons, satellite weapons, aircraft carriers..... Individual citizens having guns doesn't guarantee even a modicum of security against an oppressive government because the balance of power has shifted so far out of bounds. Said another way, in the 1700s, guns and perhaps canons were the most destructive weapon around. Individual weapons weren't that different from government's weapons, except perhaps in just sheer numbers. A bunch of farmers could band together and fight the oppressor successfully.

    It is not the case in the 21st century, and so I find it amusing that people still want to hold on to their guns thinking it gives them some defense against the government.
    Then why do we arm other countries citizens so they can fight an oppressive government?

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    Quote Originally Posted by e30addict View Post
    Then why do we arm other countries citizens so they can fight an oppressive government?
    American foreign policy and geopolitics is a different topic and I'm not interested in getting side tracked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxaarraa View Post
    American foreign policy and geopolitics is a different topic and I'm not interested in getting side tracked.
    So what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander.

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