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    An unlikely hero describes gun battle and 95 mph chase with Texas shooting suspect
    Guy is a hero period .
    I have a permit to conceal carry never used it. but maybe its time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxaarraa View Post
    ...could potentially become oppressive?
    could become oppressive?!? And you don't think the government is already oppressive?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxaarraa View Post
    Are you able to have a legitimate discussion without resorting to insults or swear words?
    That's like me asking you if you can have a discussion without making shit up and passing it as fact. No.

    Edit: just looked back and didn't find myself hurling any insults (not that I won't), just a lonely F bomb. If that offends you, (here's your insult) fuck off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxaarraa View Post
    What I find puzzling is how anachronistic the 2nd amendment is, in the modern world where Governments have things called nuclear bombs, drones, chemical weapons, satellite weapons, aircraft carriers..... Individual citizens having guns doesn't guarantee even a modicum of security against an oppressive government because the balance of power has shifted so far out of bounds.
    Nukes are out of play since any population center worth nuking will also have government infrastructure worth preserving. There's no point in nuking yourself since you'll have nothing left to rule over.

    You also have to consider the likelihood that our armed forces would unequivocally obey orders to fire upon their own countrymen. Obviously some would but I would wager that would be a tough hill for the government to climb in order to get enough participation.

    In terms of equipment like satellites, ships, etc., who do you think keeps the majority of these systems up and running? The military does a lot of the general maintenance but any complex systems are usually serviced by civilian contractors. It's civilians that build all this equipment, it's civilians that provide spare parts, it's civilians that provide the engineering expertise when problems arise, and it's civilians that provide a lot of the training for these systems. Take civilians out of the loop and things won't hold together indefinitely. In addition, what would stop a civilian organization from providing citizens with equipment we normally don't have access to like larger guns, portable rocket systems, armed drones, etc.?

    The government would also have to consider how an all out assault on its own population would affect their ability to defend themselves from foreign powers that may have an interest in our government being overthrown.

    No doubt the government has power and cool toys at its disposal. I highly doubt they could manage to bring it all to bear on its own population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZX-12R View Post
    Nukes are out of play since any population center worth nuking will also have government infrastructure worth preserving. There's no point in nuking yourself since you'll have nothing left to rule over.

    You also have to consider the likelihood that our armed forces would unequivocally obey orders to fire upon their own countrymen. Obviously some would but I would wager that would be a tough hill for the government to climb in order to get enough participation.

    In terms of equipment like satellites, ships, etc., who do you think keeps the majority of these systems up and running? The military does a lot of the general maintenance but any complex systems are usually serviced by civilian contractors. It's civilians that build all this equipment, it's civilians that provide spare parts, it's civilians that provide the engineering expertise when problems arise, and it's civilians that provide a lot of the training for these systems. Take civilians out of the loop and things won't hold together indefinitely. In addition, what would stop a civilian organization from providing citizens with equipment we normally don't have access to like larger guns, portable rocket systems, armed drones, etc.?

    The government would also have to consider how an all out assault on its own population would affect their ability to defend themselves from foreign powers that may have an interest in our government being overthrown.

    No doubt the government has power and cool toys at its disposal. I highly doubt they could managed to bring it all to bear on its own population.
    So you are agreeing with me that citizens insisting on owning guns to defend themselves against their government is a waste of time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxer72 View Post
    Yes. Would you write off a cops misses if he were trying to stop murder?

    Curious as to why good guy with gun gets no props from you...is it because none of us should have guns?
    Nope. I believe stray rounds are negligent.

    No. Just the mentally ill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    Nope. I believe stray rounds are negligent.

    No. Just the mentally ill.
    I think that's a totally unreasonable position. I'm no marksman, but even if I were I believe under severe duress I probably wouldn't put every shot on target. Cops miss frequently. Who do you trust with a firearm?

    Agreed on the mental cases not getting firearms, but if it were achievable we should have solved it by now...maybe we can if the focus is put on stopping murder, not gun laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxaarraa View Post
    So you are agreeing with me that citizens insisting on owning guns to defend themselves against their government is a waste of time?
    No I do not agree with you. I'm not even sure why you would think that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxer72 View Post
    I think that's a totally unreasonable position. I'm no marksman, but even if I were I believe under severe duress I probably wouldn't put every shot on target. Cops miss frequently. Who do you trust with a firearm?

    Agreed on the mental cases not getting firearms, but if it were achievable we should have solved it by now...maybe we can if the focus is put on stopping murder, not gun laws.
    I trust myself and my old man. I trust some of the cats I was in the military with, and some of the cops I know. Some of them are fucking crazed bastards though, and I really wouldn’t put it past some people to sling lead before it’s absolutely necessary. I trust some people I know to be enthusiasts and range rats, but definitely not the vast majority of regular people. I’ve seen what people do in stressful situations. MOST of then come unglued and lose all reason.
    I think it is achievable. Our politicians are bought though, so nothing will get done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxaarraa View Post
    Got it, thanks. That's what I thought, but wanted to make sure.

    What I find puzzling is how anachronistic the 2nd amendment is, in the modern world where Governments have things called nuclear bombs, drones, chemical weapons, satellite weapons, aircraft carriers..... Individual citizens having guns doesn't guarantee even a modicum of security against an oppressive government because the balance of power has shifted so far out of bounds. Said another way, in the 1700s, guns and perhaps canons were the most destructive weapon around. Individual weapons weren't that different from government's weapons, except perhaps in just sheer numbers. A bunch of farmers could band together and fight the oppressor successfully.

    It is not the case in the 21st century, and so I find it amusing that people still want to hold on to their guns thinking it gives them some defense against the government.

    Not my opinion but I heard somewhere the theory that no country would ever try to envade USA because of the amount of guns per citizen which is the highest (or around there) in the world. Sure the fact that USA will nuke the fuck out of whoever thinks to envade helps too.

    It's an interesting theory.

    Another interesting thing is countries who make army mandatory.

    Greece for example mandates men at the age of 18 attend army training for 12 months. Yet doesn't allow any civilians to own army type/level weapons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuvDog View Post
    Cars run in to buildings all the time and have killed people.

    Even without guns, people will find ways to kill other people.
    While we are banning things, it’s become very clear that the motivation of many of these mass murderers since Columbine is the press coverage they receive. So the government should prohibit the press from reporting the details of these killings, which would remove their opportunity for notoriety.

    And gun deaths of all sorts are a relatively small problem compared to the impact of alcohol. Impaired drivers account for about half of all traffic fatalities. Total alcohol related deaths average 88,000 per year. Lost productivity and other factors related to alcohol use costs about $250 billion a year. So we should ban alcohol first.

    Motorcycles kill almost 5,000 per year, so banning them should perhaps be on the table as well.

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    A good quote that pro gun uses is "we should make guns illegal, after all that's how we won the war on drugs"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post

    And gun deaths of all sorts are a relatively small problem compared to the impact of alcohol. Impaired drivers account for about half of all traffic fatalities. Total alcohol related deaths average 88,000 per year. Lost productivity and other factors related to alcohol use costs about $250 billion a year. So we should ban alcohol first.
    and repeat history ?

    while alcohol consumption costs us $250 billion a year, the production industry easily puts way more than that into the economy, brewmasters have lives & families too,

    as do gun manufacturers

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    Old age kills more people than guns do. Therefore we should solve the problem of aging before we try to prevent any gun related deaths.

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    How is this different from the other thread(s)?

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    First shooting is fun

    You have DUTY to protect your family and neighbors

    Dont know about Texas asshole but up until now ALL, ALL mass shooters have been democrats

    Drop the Bulls*t democrats are moving every day to GUN CONFISCATION, that is their goal, IN 90 days Massholes will be felons for not TURNING IN
    bump stock and trigger cranks WITHOUT COMPENSATION.

    The before step of all dictators have been disarming the citizens, for their own good. I will be dead but in 40 years when this batch of offended snow
    flakes are in charge it will probably be done, 50 years later the Chinese first invade Mexico as a staging area then attack north for our own good.

    The anti gun idea went a long way in this incident as the parishioners where asked NOT to have their guns in church, so this crazy KNEW it was
    a gun free zone. He did not try to shoot up the local gun club. About 20 years ago in Texas a nut went into the diner, he got off like 5 rounds
    wounded one person and was dead before he hit the ground with a large number of bullets in him.

    The only way to stop a bad person with a gun , is a good person with a gun,

    You dont need a gun the police will be there in 20 minutes, what could happen in 20 minutes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by breakdirt916 View Post
    How is this different from the other thread(s)?
    It's not. They've beat this shit to death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxaarraa View Post
    Can someone please explain the rationale for the pro-gun side? Is it because you want the right to bear arms against a government that could potentially become oppressive?
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    I own guns because I enjoy things that involve fire, explosions and loud noises. I would not want to give any of that up because of the small subset of individuals that do not have control over one's self.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MUZ720 View Post
    An unlikely hero describes gun battle and 95 mph chase with Texas shooting suspect
    Guy is a hero period .
    I have a permit to conceal carry never used it. but maybe its time?

    Wait until the pictures of him wearing the stars and bars hat start really circulating. He'll be roasted.

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    How many shots missed by the person who hit the killer? I didn't read any exact number be it 0 or 100. Do we know there was any risk to innocents from any rounds that might have missed the killer? Based on his stopping the threat and no evidence of him being a danger to others I only wish he got there sooner.

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    The unfortunate truth is that with all freedoms comes some negative aspect, but the good outweigh the bad on the population as a whole.

    As an alternate example, Free speech enables the ability to speak against your govt, give the president the middle finger, speak against against injustice, etc. but you can also spew hate, or emotionally impact others in negative ways. It also enables hate groups to form and allows them a platform but where do you draw the line? I would argue that you can't as the line will always cut off somebody who needs a voice. So we live with it. The good of the 1st amendment outweighs the negative.

    The right to gun ownership enables hunting, recreation, means of protection, and yes an ability to rise against a government if it came to that. The argument that the 2nd amendment pointless because the military has tanks, planes, or your weapon of choice, is not a completely solid argument because a coup against the government is fought differently than a military on military engagement and enablers in one fight don't always transfer to another other mode of battle. Historically nations and governments always fail (or have significant changes/shifts) over time. Its shortsighted to think that the USA is immune to that because that just can't be true based on history. The US had a civil war only 150 years ago and was founded by separatists 250 years ago fighting their home nation so its still relatively young nation. Without the 2nd amendment, how would those changes happen or evolve if it came to that? Had the roles been changed and the Confederate had firearms but the Union didn't due to ownership restrictions, the US as we known it now would be different. The unfortunate reality is that yes, firearms by their nature will be used against Innocent people by people set to act out a horrible event but they also enable the other freedoms we enjoy.

    I would personally rather live in a free nation with these horrific events then one that isn't free. So to get back do your OP, yes, even if you could flick the magical switch that takes away all gun crime, I would be against giving up firearms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by backinthesaddle View Post
    How many shots missed by the person who hit the killer? I didn't read any exact number be it 0 or 100. Do we know there was any risk to innocents from any rounds that might have missed the killer?
    The only info I've seen is that he scored at least 2 hits and had less then a full mag to start with.

    The final report is going to be interesting, but I think the guy is going to get vilified by both sides before it's released.

    It's sad to think that he stopped further loss of life but that will probably be overshadowed by the mistakes he made in the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by backinthesaddle View Post
    How many shots missed by the person who hit the killer? I didn't read any exact number be it 0 or 100. Do we know there was any risk to innocents from any rounds that might have missed the killer? Based on his stopping the threat and no evidence of him being a danger to others I only wish he got there sooner.
    I don't think that information has been published.

    It is clear that citizen had previously been an NRA instructor.
    It is clear that citizen hit shooter twice.
    It is clear that citizen used the same type of weapon as shooter (extra killy AR).

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    This Asshat on sunday was a felon whose info was not reported to NICS by the AIR FORCE!!! This is how he was able to still purchase a gun when his background check was done. Had the correct information been reported he would have been denied the ability to purchase a firearm and the gun store probably wouldve reported it to local authorities. Said asshat probably wouldve spent a night in jail or something and when he got out rather than shooting up the church and killing 27 people he couldve just as easily screwed the doors and windows of the church shut and then thrown lit bottles of easily accessible gasoline thru the windows and killed everyone inside. Guns are not the problem just the tool. Crazy MF's who will do harm any way they can are the problem and idiots calling for gun control only clip the nuts of the populace to defend themselves. NO I WILL NOT GIVE UP MY GUNS.

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