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    CBP checkpoint on 93 in Lincoln...

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    Re: Live free... Or don't?

    Quote Originally Posted by obsolete View Post
    CBP checkpoint on 93 in Lincoln...
    That's not unusual. They did it for years in that area back in the early 2000's I believe. Then they stopped for a few years. But they seemed to have picked up the pace again recently...

    If I remember, this is carried out at the federal level. The state/local police only step in when arrests are made...

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    They had the regional manager on Radio Boston. They can set up checkpoints within 100 miles of a border: which is nearly all of New England. Only area outside their purview appears to be part of S VT.

    They brought in dogs which are “dual certified” to detect people and drugs. They claim 25 arrests for visa violations, and 2 lbs of dope.

    The growth of the agency is astounding. There are over 20,000 agents now.

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    Re: Live free... Or don't?

    The Lincoln checkpoint is Federal and not State. If you live in the shaded area, you are under their authority and presumably don't have the same rights you would normally expect. That said, I've never been stopped there. I've always been waved through without talking to anyone.


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    I disapprove of such things.

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    DEATH TO THE PIGS IN WACO!!!

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    Re: Live free... Or don't?

    I should say that I've been through that checkpoint several times while it was active and I've always been waved through without talking to anyone.

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    We were asked our country of citizenship.

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    Re: Live free... Or don't?

    Quote Originally Posted by ZX-12R View Post
    If you live anywhere on that map, you are under their authority and presumably don't have the same rights you would normally expect.
    Fixed, because none of us truly have the rights that we should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obsolete View Post
    We were asked our country of citizenship.
    So you asked: 'que? no hablo ingles.'

    I knew about the 100mi rule and how that basically means all of New England, but I don't think I knew they actually did checkpoints up here. What's even crazier about the 100mi rule is how a huge part of our population lives in it.

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    Shoot, even when I lived just outside of Phoenix I never once saw a CBP checkpoint. Of course, in Maricopa county, they generally leave the rights violating to the MCSO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aldend123 View Post
    So you asked: 'que? no hablo ingles.'.
    I can picture Alex doing something like that...

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    Nah, I said 'merca.

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    I have a few coworkers who pass back through that area on a daily basis and they both got waived through without an issue.

    You can technically refuse any questioning, but then they can detain you for a short period until they determine whether to let you go or not. Courts have decided that because they are such a "brief" intrusion upon a person’s liberty, privacy and interests that it is constitutional. A San Diego teacher was held for over an hour for refusing, though (San Diego teacher refuses to answer Border Patrol questions at checkpoint - The San Diego Union-Tribune).

    One of my coworkers was also saying that one of the agents kept asking her questions while a dog stiffed around her car.

    Super mixed feelings on this.

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    The anecdotes about the times people got waived through only matter until they don't. It's like trying to rebut concerns about police tactics that every time you've interacted with them has been fine. Doesn't mean there isn't still cause for concern.

    I'm struggling to think of a less dramatic example, but it's like living in a dictatorship and saying you haven't been on the receiving end of the dictator yet so it's a tolerable and acceptable situation.

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    Im out of the 100 mile zone. Texas motherfuckers!

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    Cant take a knee, can't carry whatever gun you want, random stops, cant refuse to answer. it's like most of the amendments are just kinda "best practice suggestions" these days.

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    If you're having trouble getting through these checkpoints, next time you go through try being a white male. If possible, you should be driving a truck.


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    Am I the only one who sees things like this as a somewhat necessary evil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gixxer View Post
    Am I the only one who sees things like this as a somewhat necessary evil?
    I sure hope you are in the minority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gixxer View Post
    Am I the only one who sees things like this as a somewhat necessary evil?
    Yes.

    There are plenty of ways for CBP to accomplish what they need to without resorting to this b.s.

    This is the lazy way to try and "catch" people. The same thing applies to DUI checkpoints. If you're a cop and you need a checkpoint to do your job, you suck at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    I sure hope you are in the minority.
    Ya, until one of those people sneaking in from Columbia kills someone, or the drugs they bring in do. But you'll only care if you are personally effected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gixxer View Post
    Ya, until one of those people sneaking in from Columbia kills someone, or the drugs they bring in do. But you'll only care if you are personally effected.
    Currently our biggest problem, by a wide fucking margin, is Americans killing Americans. Why is it so much more offensive when an illegal kills someone? The result is the same, someone is dead. If their drugs happen to kill someone...well maybe they shouldn't be doing drugs then. I'm personally not willing to forego my 4th Amendment rights so you can feel better about the Colombians.

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    Re: Live free... Or don't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gixxer View Post
    Ya, until one of those people sneaking in from Columbia kills someone, or the drugs they bring in do. But you'll only care if you are personally effected.
    Your argument reeks of, "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear".

    Do you feel the same way about overbearing electronic surveillance or TSA checkpoints at the airport? If it saves just one life right

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