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    What do you make of Chinese Virologist Dr. Li Meng Yan and her claim that Covid-19 was made in the Bio Lab at Wuhan? I don’t even know enough to ask a question.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li-Meng_Yan

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    Re: Nervous yet? covid-19

    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    What do you make of Chinese Virologist Dr. Li Meng Yan and her claim that Covid-19 was made in the Bio Lab at Wuhan? I don’t even know enough to ask a question.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li-Meng_Yan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    What do you make of Chinese Virologist Dr. Li Meng Yan and her claim that Covid-19 was made in the Bio Lab at Wuhan? I don’t even know enough to ask a question.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li-Meng_Yan
    Her quote:
    “Anyone, even if you have no biology knowledge, you can read it, and you can check and identify and verify by yourself.”"“The genome sequence is like a human fingerprint,” she told the talk show. “So based on this, you can identify these things. I use the evidence … to tell people why this has come from the lab in China, why they are the only ones who made it.”"
    If it was as simple as she says, its really strange shes the only one coming out saying it. Not a single rumor floating around the Virologists and scientists I work with. Guess they're all dumb. And so are we, since Yan says people without biology knowledge can see it...but I don't.

    Also, this:

    The paper is affiliated with the Rule of Law Society, founded by Steve Bannon and Guo Wengui.[26][28] The Rule of Law Society had not previously published scientific or medical research.[28] Yan had previously appeared on Bannon's "War Room" podcast.[27][28]

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    Certainly seems far-fetched but Im not a Virologist.

    Her contention is that the Chinese Communist Party has bribed or intimidated those who would confirm it. Here’s another conspiracy. Who knows who World Is One News is beholden to.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    Certainly seems far-fetched but Im not a Virologist.

    Her contention is that the Chinese Communist Party has bribed or intimidated those who would confirm it. Here’s another conspiracy. Who knows who World Is One News is beholden to.

    The thing is that she is stating it is easily seen in the genome sequence, even by non-scientists. Every virologist working on this has the genome sequence of it. My point is if its so simple, why is she the only one seeing it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JettaJayGLS View Post
    The thing is that she is stating it is easily seen in the genome sequence, even by non-scientists. Every virologist working on this has the genome sequence of it. My point is if its so simple, why is she the only one seeing it?
    The Bannon connection pretty much sums up everything one needs to know about that video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JettaJayGLS View Post
    Her quote:


    If it was as simple as she says, its really strange shes the only one coming out saying it. Not a single rumor floating around the Virologists and scientists I work with. Guess they're all dumb. And so are we, since Yan says people without biology knowledge can see it...but I don't.

    Also, this:
    Maybe they are just trying to avoid panic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JettaJayGLS View Post
    The thing is that she is stating it is easily seen in the genome sequence, even by non-scientists. Every virologist working on this has the genome sequence of it. My point is if its so simple, why is she the only one seeing it?
    I read an article early on about the origin of this virus, and the idea that it was engineered was very quickly ruled out because there would be signatures in the DNA that were not present.

    It took them longer to rule out that it wasn't a product of serial replication -- this is a protocol where they infect a series of animals to artificially mutate the virus and see how powerful it can get. I can't remember how they ruled this out but it was a pretty solid argument. My understanding is that the labs in Wuhan have generally been pretty open with their research -- they really want to make sure that SARS and COVID never happen again, and the faster they get there the better. Chinese scientists get pretty big bonuses when they publish in western journals, this is what motivates them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JettaJayGLS View Post
    The thing is that she is stating it is easily seen in the genome sequence, even by non-scientists. Every virologist working on this has the genome sequence of it. My point is if its so simple, why is she the only one seeing it?
    The Gravitas video is a different person, who worked in Wuhan and has disappeared.

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    Think you must have posted this in the wrong thread? This looks like something someone would post in the Trump or Biden thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    The Gravitas video is a different person, who worked in Wuhan and has disappeared.
    I'm not going to condone any shady activities China may carry out. I don't know what goes on over there. Maybe they know her claims are bogus and taking her out back instead of letting her influence the country with fake news. Maybe they saw how fucked up we are because of that? It might be very anti-freedom, but has nothing to do with the science.

    I'm just standing for the science. Everyone is looking at the same data. I find it impossible to believe that the people I work with are deep state or afraid of the government.

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    As mentioned, it’s far fetched but she was in the news.

    The question of when the Chinese knew about human-to-human transmission, what they did, and when they told ROW is a lot more important.

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    If it is far fetched then why are you putting so much effort into propagating it??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    Think you must have posted this in the wrong thread? This looks like something someone would post in the Trump or Biden thread.
    I think he was hoping the absurdity would convey the sarcasm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aldend123 View Post
    I think he was hoping the absurdity would convey the sarcasm.
    I think we're in a post-absurdity, post-sarcasm world.

    Once the absurd becomes normalized, sarcasm loses its bite and satire becomes meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JettaJayGLS View Post
    The thing is that she is stating it is easily seen in the genome sequence, even by non-scientists. Every virologist working on this has the genome sequence of it. My point is if its so simple, why is she the only one seeing it?
    I'm quoting you and asking you because you seem to have some knowledge on the subject. Everyone has the genome sequence from CV19 but wouldn't you need something from the Wuhan labs for comparison? How would one review the sequence and know it came from Wuhan if you don't have anything to prove it is from Wuhan? My most recent biology background stems from studying with my son last year, so, yeah...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falko View Post
    I'm quoting you and asking you because you seem to have some knowledge on the subject. Everyone has the genome sequence from CV19 but wouldn't you need something from the Wuhan labs for comparison? How would one review the sequence and know it came from Wuhan if you don't have anything to prove it is from Wuhan? My most recent biology background stems from studying with my son last year, so, yeah...
    I'm just a finance guy who works for a biotech with a COVID19 antibody treatment in the clinic. I have no biology background, but some understanding from the day to day chit chat, presentations, papers we circulate, etc.

    I guess we would need the very first case to truly tell as the genome will deviates slightly between each case. But that assumes the genome is changing enough with each case to hide what this scientist in China said was obvious. For reference, all humans share 99.9% with every other human, and something like 98+ with monkeys.

    Meanwhile, scientists all over the world are monitoring exactly that...how much the genome is changing, and using it to trace back the origins of the disease. The generally accepted theory is that it originated in bats, with a slight chance it was from Pangolins (which are worth a google search if you've never seen one). Could the genome have changed enough to hide the fact it originated in a lab in Wuhan? I guess its possible, but I'm going to say no. Not based on scientific research I've done, but the scientific research being done that says this isn't a heavily mutating virus. Also consider that cases outside of China would have been sequenced immediately. I remember an article about a lab in Australia that sequenced every single case they got their hands on until they had over a thousand sequences. That means it would have mutated enough in just a couple weeks for this "obvious" trait to have been not recognizable in the genome to experts that build their careers on studying genomes. Yet, this scientist says its simple enough that non-biological experts can recognize it...I just don't buy it.

    I think its entirely plausible that China may have sat on this news for a period of time. I don't think it is plausible that you can tell it originated in the lab by looking at the genome, when scientists all over the world are studying the genome and have gone out and said it was debunked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JettaJayGLS View Post
    I'm just a finance guy who works for a biotech with a COVID19 antibody treatment in the clinic. I have no biology background, but some understanding from the day to day chit chat, presentations, papers we circulate, etc.

    I guess we would need the very first case to truly tell as the genome will deviates slightly between each case. But that assumes the genome is changing enough with each case to hide what this scientist in China said was obvious. For reference, all humans share 99.9% with every other human, and something like 98+ with monkeys.

    Meanwhile, scientists all over the world are monitoring exactly that...how much the genome is changing, and using it to trace back the origins of the disease. The generally accepted theory is that it originated in bats, with a slight chance it was from Pangolins (which are worth a google search if you've never seen one). Could the genome have changed enough to hide the fact it originated in a lab in Wuhan? I guess its possible, but I'm going to say no. Not based on scientific research I've done, but the scientific research being done that says this isn't a heavily mutating virus. Also consider that cases outside of China would have been sequenced immediately. I remember an article about a lab in Australia that sequenced every single case they got their hands on until they had over a thousand sequences. That means it would have mutated enough in just a couple weeks for this "obvious" trait to have been not recognizable in the genome to experts that build their careers on studying genomes. Yet, this scientist says its simple enough that non-biological experts can recognize it...I just don't buy it.

    I think its entirely plausible that China may have sat on this news for a period of time. I don't think it is plausible that you can tell it originated in the lab by looking at the genome, when scientists all over the world are studying the genome and have gone out and said it was debunked.
    That all makes sense. But my real question is, the scientists studying it, how do they know it didn't come from the lab if they don't have what the lab has? I could kill someone and leave my DNA. From that they could probably deduce it was a male, good looking, etc. But if they don't have my actual DNA on file, how do they know it was me exactly? If the Wuhan lab had this thing growing/mutating and it "escaped", if we do not have the genome sequences from the Wuhan lab, how do we know that this does/n't match that strain? I'm not saying the Chinese did this, I'm just trying to understand how this works.

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    The question of what. if any, consequences China suffers remains to be seen.

    Downloaded the Worldometer data and added a new stat line: percentage of active cases relative to state population.

    Top 11 as of 9/18:
    AZ 2.38%
    FL 2.22%
    GA 2.15%
    RI 1.90%
    MD 1.78%
    AL 1.59%
    MS 1.50%
    VA 1.38%
    SC 1.33%
    KY 1.06%
    CA 0.94%


    Bottom 10:
    VT 0.02%
    NH 0.02%
    ME 0.04%
    MN 0.09%
    WY 0.10%
    MA 0.11%
    OH 0.15%
    LA 0.18%
    NC 0.18%
    PA 0.18%

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