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    Could you explain to me how 9/11 was NOT the chickens coming home to roost?
    Yes I can. The United States of America is the worlds most generous country in the world. When natural disasters strike we are there to help first. The foriegn aid to help impoverished countries is mind-boogling. Even private donations from this countries citizens is amazing. We are the very best country in the world when it comes to a helping hand.
    When a not so natural disaster hits a country we are again the first to lead the charge to help our fellow man. When dictators strike fear into the hearts of its citizens those citizens know who will come and put their lives on the line for their freedom. Yup. The stars and the stripes. Don't believe? Visit Normandy. Visit VA hospitals where we have legless men and woman who fought for their world nieghbors. Schools around the country whose students have a missing daddy or mommy who died fighting against terrorists. In worcester on virtually every corner we have granite stones memorializing those who died for others in Korea, World War One and World War Two.
    No doubt about it. We are not infidels. We are the most freedom loving, most generous, most best country in the entire world and we are not deserving of 911 because we are all inclusive and tolerant of any religous belief. God Bless America.

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    Only a Christian ethos and rights of others can support a democratic republic. Perhaps our predecessors were wiser than now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rambunctous View Post
    Yes I can. The United States of America is the worlds most generous country in the world. When natural disasters strike we are there to help first. The foriegn aid to help impoverished countries is mind-boogling. Even private donations from this countries citizens is amazing. We are the very best country in the world when it comes to a helping hand.
    When a not so natural disaster hits a country we are again the first to lead the charge to help our fellow man. When dictators strike fear into the hearts of its citizens those citizens know who will come and put their lives on the line for their freedom. Yup. The stars and the stripes. Don't believe? Visit Normandy. Visit VA hospitals where we have legless men and woman who fought for their world nieghbors. Schools around the country whose students have a missing daddy or mommy who died fighting against terrorists. In worcester on virtually every corner we have granite stones memorializing those who died for others in Korea, World War One and World War Two.
    No doubt about it. We are not infidels. We are the most freedom loving, most generous, most best country in the entire world and we are not deserving of 911 because we are all inclusive and tolerant of any religous belief. God Bless America.
    and the first question that is asked before we do any of those things is..."How can I use this situation to turn a profit?"

    Unfortunately, it is when these particular types of tragedies are not occurring that the same people turn to twisting our relationships with other countries into profit making schemes that cause all of the hate and venom directed back towards the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gadget View Post
    and the first question that is asked before we do any of those things is..."How can I use this situation to turn a profit?"

    Unfortunately, it is when these particular types of tragedies are not occurring that the same people turn to twisting our relationships with other countries into profit making schemes that cause all of the hate and venom directed back towards the US.
    This is the truth unfortunately. The US only gets involved when it is "in our interest". Thus why huge tragedies like the genocides in Bosnia-Herzegovena, Rwanda, and most recently Darfur have occurred, all the while nobody did or has done anything to intervene. And there are many other nations on the verge of similar events which get the same response from both the US and the world - indifference.

    Oh and btw, the US was not the first to get involved in the World Wars, Vietnam or Korea. Not to mention the fact that the war in Vietnam was actually suppression of freedom in support of French imperialism, and Korea was fallout from World War II.

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    Leaning to the right I answer all of these ....


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    Quote Originally Posted by SRTie4k View Post
    This is the truth unfortunately. The US only gets involved when it is "in our interest". Thus why huge tragedies like the genocides in Bosnia-Herzegovena, Rwanda, and most recently Darfur have occurred, all the while nobody did or has done anything to intervene. And there are many other nations on the verge of similar events which get the same response from both the US and the world - indifference.

    Oh and btw, the US was not the first to get involved in the World Wars, Vietnam or Korea. Not to mention the fact that the war in Vietnam was actually suppression of freedom in support of French imperialism, and Korea was fallout from World War II.
    And Afghanistan and the Taliban are fallout from fighting Russia, Iran is fallout from us trying to get control of their oil fields in 1953. Chickens coming home to roost is pretty accurate, I dare say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SRTie4k View Post
    This is the truth unfortunately. The US only gets involved when it is "in our interest". Thus why huge tragedies like the genocides in Bosnia-Herzegovena, Rwanda, and most recently Darfur have occurred, all the while nobody did or has done anything to intervene. And there are many other nations on the verge of similar events which get the same response from both the US and the world - indifference.

    Oh and btw, the US was not the first to get involved in the World Wars, Vietnam or Korea. Not to mention the fact that the war in Vietnam was actually suppression of freedom in support of French imperialism, and Korea was fallout from World War II.
    Bullshit, when we intervene we are the world police looking after our interests when we don't we are assholes, damned if you do etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stromper View Post
    Only a Christian ethos and rights of others can support a democratic republic. Perhaps our predecessors were wiser than now
    Um, no. Only a philosophy (and a Constitution) of an ethos of the rights of others can support a government that protects the rights of the individual. Neither democracy nor republic-ness is necessary, or sufficient -- those are a couple among many tools that could be used. And Christianlty also is neither necessary, nor sufficient.

    Despotic governments have existed using democracy, republicanism, and/or Christianity. Governments that respect people's rights are much less common, but have existed without any of those, mostly on small scales. America is so far unique in being the only large scale attempt to have governance explicitly based on individual rights. It happens to be a Constitutional (the most important part) democratic republic, and mostly Christian in population. But none of those is inherently necessary. And you might note that the DoI and the Constitution do not even mention Christianity, or God, in any meaningful way anywhere in them.

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