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    Re: Obama 4 more years


    Quote Originally Posted by BSR6 View Post
    The problem with this is that we are no longer primarily an industrial nation. Sure we will always have factories and that will be a part of the picture, but you have to acknowledge that our economy has evolved into a new role. We could try this to bring manufacturing back but its really going against the grain.

    It's a topic we could write a book on so I don't know where to start. The bottom line is if you try to analyze our economy as if we were still an industrial nation its a formula for disaster. This is the problem I have with Obama, it's exactly what he is doing. He seems completely oblivious to the concept of what economists refer to as the intangible aspect of the economy, and seems to want to go back to WWII era ways which just isn't an option anymore.

    I'm not sure how to explain the intangible economics concept without writing a book. While the manufacturing role has shifted to China etc, the US has become the management side of it all. There was an article in business week a few years back the explained it extremely well. It explained how even though we have sent a ton of jobs overseas, overall the amount of jobs in the US has roughly stayed the same in the long run. The catch is the manufacturing jobs were replaced by a whole different role. It left the factory workers dead in the water, but provided tons of opportunity for others. These new jobs, and the general category they fall under can't be measured as easily as manufacturing and thats why it's referred to as intangible. Either way its there and the article did an excellent job of proving it. Not only is it there but its much stronger than the manufacturing segment we have given up for it.

    If we want to recover then this is where political policy needs to be aimed. Unfortunately its a concept that few understand. To start we have to face the fact that other countries are building our products for us, and the factory workers who have been abandoned as a result need to adapt to a new work environment if they want a job in the new segment of our economy that is emerging.
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    Re: Obama 4 more years

    Quote Originally Posted by Degsy View Post
    Shakes head.
    Shake it all you like; it doesn't make you right or improve your grasp of economics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilB
    Quote Originally Posted by Degsy View Post
    Shakes head.
    Shake it all you like; it doesn't make you right or improve your grasp of economics.

    PhilB
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    No wonder the entire world hates us.

    Can't even remotely say sorry for killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians without the AMERICAN PRIDE going overboard again.

    Let's play a game.

    Name one thing Obama has done well as President related to his duties and responsibilities.
    1. Credit Card Bill of Rights
    2.Matthew Sheppard Act
    3.Don't Ask, Don't Tell Repeal Act
    4.START Treaty
    5.Christopher & Dana Reeve Act
    6.Food Safety Modernization Act
    7.Allowed bin Laden to be killed

    Most military experts believe that a invasion of Japan which would have killed possibly 2 million Japanese civilians and hundreds of thousand more American and allied lives was not a good alternative. No doubt it shortenen the suffering.

    Your turn. Name one thing Obama did that sucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThisBitch View Post
    If it weren't for all the crazy right wing religious bullshit, I might actually be excited about this pair. The problem with the established parties is that they cling so tightly to the polarizing beliefs of a few on the fringe that they disenchant the rest of us. /
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    And the Party Faithful wonder why there are more unenrolled/independent voters than there are members of the D's or R's.

    Someday I hope the Republican party frees itself from the Religious Right. The correct answer a Republican should give to the question "Should a Woman have a right to choose" is "That's none of the government's business." They should also be all for conservation - that's conservative.

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    Re: Obama 4 more years

    Getting back to the OP's assertion, I think he's right. Romney is really proving himself to be an incredibly weak candidate by appealing to the fringe, and picking an extremist VP is going to hurt him more long term.

    I used to think Obama was going to lose this election because a) there's already a significant percentage of people in this country that aren't going to vote for him because he's black, and b) he didn't manage to completely rebuild the economy in four years. I also thought it might not be the end of the world if Romney did get elected, but after watching him in his campaign I'm now reasonably sure it'd be a disaster. I think maybe he's experiencing early senility or something -- or maybe deep down he just doesn't want to win.

    I'm still amazed that he's withholding those tax returns, there must be some great stuff in there. I guess he just never realized that some folks might be interested in seeing those if he ran for president.

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    Re: Obama 4 more years

    It's a little early to make that call. The convention hasn't happened, there have been no debates and he's hamstrung on advertising by the spending cycle laws.

    It begins in earnest after the conventions

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    Agree, it's just surprising to me that Romney looks this bad at such an early stage. I suppose he could still turn it around though, but it's gonna be tough.

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    He doesn't look bad to everyone.

    Compare poll numbers to 1980, a lot of similarities to RR running against incumbent Jimmy Carter.

    Now Romney doesn't appear to be as good a candidate as RR, but Obama is this generation's Carter.

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    THE IGLU See post #154. Its your turn.

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    "Gammy's gonna get sick"

    We are very in touch with the needs of the elderly in America

    "He gonna let Gammy get sick and Die"

    It is always necessary to view the larger context of Healthcare in the USA

    "he don't care if Gammy dies, he's taken Gammy's medicine away"

    That is not accurate on page 43 paragraph 2 line 4 it specifically states that current members of medicare will maintain all rights

    "HE"S GONNA KILL GAMMY!!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveM View Post
    He doesn't look bad to everyone.

    Compare poll numbers to 1980, a lot of similarities to RR running against incumbent Jimmy Carter.

    Now Romney doesn't appear to be as good a candidate as RR, but Obama is this generation's Carter.
    Carter is and was a decent guy without a non-exsistent past. Some too-liberal policies but a good man. A verifiable education too. I am not saying that Obama is hiding something like most think. In particular his application to college where he checked the box as a foreigner. I think why he spent 3 million dollars hiding his past is simply because there is none. Well something is amiss when they pull your law licenses though. Libs don't want to admit they fell for a fraud.(They are doing it again with Liarwatha Warren) Witness the evidence. Take the teleprompter away and he thinks we got 57 states and he really stumbles. Just saying that Carter and Obama really are different. Carter is and always will be a decent honest man......PS where is The Iglu?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stromper View Post
    With the Romney pick of Paul Ryan I think the deal is sealed.
    Dan Quayle got to be VP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rambunctous View Post
    1. Credit Card Bill of Rights
    2.Matthew Sheppard Act
    3.Don't Ask, Don't Tell Repeal Act
    4.START Treaty
    5.Christopher & Dana Reeve Act
    6.Food Safety Modernization Act
    7.Allowed bin Laden to be killed

    Most military experts believe that a invasion of Japan which would have killed possibly 2 million Japanese civilians and hundreds of thousand more American and allied lives was not a good alternative. No doubt it shortenen the suffering.

    Your turn. Name one thing Obama did that sucked.
    1. Obamacare
    2. Never allowed the "transparency" that he preached about during the campaign.
    3. The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    1. Obamacare
    2. Never allowed the "transparency" that he preached about during the campaign.
    3. The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009
    I would also include a reversal of his stance on campaign finance reform and lack of addressing banks that are too big to fail.

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    Ahh yes, "Citizens" United.

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    Re: Obama 4 more years

    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    3. The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009
    yep, biggest waste of money I've seen in my lifetime

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    Re: Obama 4 more years

    The theory behind ARRA is pure Keynesian.

    government invests in public works projects, creating jobs.

    People who now have jobs spend money, creating more jobs.

    It's the multiplier effect and a classic way to jump tart a recessionary economy.

    I'm not saying the theory is good or bad, right or wrong, but this attempt did not succeed beyond a mild and shaky recovery.

    Unfortunately we can never know what would have happened in an identical parallel universe if this had not been done.

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    7 to 3 I win

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    Government pays 4x for projects
    Unions pay off politicians
    Union members buy Chinese goods

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stromper
    Government pays 4x for projects
    Unions pay off politicians
    Union members buy Chinese goods
    Are you not listening? Philb has already told us that Chinese goods are good for our economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stromper View Post
    Government pays 4x for projects
    Unions pay off politicians
    Union members buy Chinese goods
    Not entirely true. some union members buy Harley's on 7 year notes and then find themselves upside down on the bike when they get laid off a year later.

    Somehow, the expected the bike to grow in value on the way to the local bar for the weekly 10 mile hard ass ride.

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    Nothing said about the massive corporations buying politicians, or is that a given?

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    I guess that's the larger issue behind campaign finance reform.

    No one has ever addressed the need for term limits for congressional staffers. I'd like to see someone tackle that.

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