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    I voted yesterday. I voted for HRC. This is the first time I have ever voted for anyone but the Republican since I was first eligible to vote for President in 1980.

    I do not like HRC, I disagree with her on many issues and I believe she is largely corrupt and the epitomy of a Washington insider.

    But I believe that Trump would be an unmitigated disaster instead of HRC being a merely poor choice.

    I voted against Obama twice, but I always believed he was a decent person. I just believe he was wrong on many issues. I do not feel that either major party candidate has the same decency, nor have they presented the apparently simple but seemingly difficult skill of just acting like a grown up.

    That being said, what I learned as a child (one of 3 out of 25 who chose Nixon in our 6th grade mock election in the spring of 1972) is that on the morning of November 9, I will awake with a newly elected President and she/he will be our President and will have my support and best wishes for success.

    We've had worse Presidents in all regards than HRC is likely to be and we survived. What we should remember is that the American Democracy does not endure because of it's elected officials, it endures because of its larger ideals and its citizens. Our elected officials are merely temporary caretakers of certain functions which we, the people, have delegated to them.

    As an American, it is more important to me that we move forward as a unified nation than it is to win a partisan argument or expend all our energy tearing away at people to take them down.
    We may fight, we may disagree, but we need to be united in support for our leadership and hope for their success.

    America works best when it's like the families many of us grew up in. We could have hellacious fights within the family, but we did not allow the outsiders to see us squabbling. Then, if someone outside the family took a shot at one of us, they would have to deal with the whole family.

    I hope we can be more mindful of this and do a better job in the next four years of making sure the rest of the world sees a united, strong and indivisible democracy when they look at America and especially if that very small group who wishes us harm looks at the chance that their actions can weaken our unity and resolve.

    America is far from perfect: our society is imperfect, our leaders are imperfect and we are imperfect. But we are (hopefully) one in the enduring hope that we can work together to make it better for our futures.

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    Well said.

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    Living in MA, my vote doesn't count for shit if I'm voting for a major party thanks to the electoral college. Giving my vote to the libertarian party puts them a step closer to getting federal funding for campaigning and hopefully that gets us closer to ending the "lesser evil" votes that got us shitbags like Trump and Clinton in the first place.

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    Johnson. I cannot abide the words and actions of either major party candidate. This is also a significant departure from my previous voting.

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    I voted yesterday. I voted for HRC. This is the first time I have ever voted for anyone but the Republican since I was first eligible to vote for President in 1980.

    I do not like HRC, I disagree with her on many issues and I believe she is largely corrupt and the epitomy of a Washington insider.

    But I believe that Trump would be an unmitigated disaster instead of HRC being a merely poor choice.

    I voted against Obama twice, but I always believed he was a decent person. I just believe he was wrong on many issues. I do not feel that either major party candidate has the same decency, nor have they presented the apparently simple but seemingly difficult skill of just acting like a grown up.

    That being said, what I learned as a child (one of 3 out of 25 who chose Nixon in our 6th grade mock election in the spring of 1972) is that on the morning of November 9, I will awake with a newly elected President and she/he will be our President and will have my support and best wishes for success.

    We've had worse Presidents in all regards than HRC is likely to be and we survived. What we should remember is that the American Democracy does not endure because of it's elected officials, it endures because of its larger ideals and its citizens. Our elected officials are merely temporary caretakers of certain functions which we, the people, have delegated to them.

    As an American, it is more important to me that we move forward as a unified nation than it is to win a partisan argument or expend all our energy tearing away at people to take them down.
    We may fight, we may disagree, but we need to be united in support for our leadership and hope for their success.

    America works best when it's like the families many of us grew up in. We could have hellacious fights within the family, but we did not allow the outsiders to see us squabbling. Then, if someone outside the family took a shot at one of us, they would have to deal with the whole family.

    I hope we can be more mindful of this and do a better job in the next four years of making sure the rest of the world sees a united, strong and indivisible democracy when they look at America and especially if that very small group who wishes us harm looks at the chance that their actions can weaken our unity and resolve.

    America is far from perfect: our society is imperfect, our leaders are imperfect and we are imperfect. But we are (hopefully) one in the enduring hope that we can work together to make it better for our futures.
    Very well said. I voted Johnson because I am in MA and HRC will get the nod without me and I feel he has the best chance of getting more exposure and funding for third party candidates. While I like half of the libertarian platform I see the other half as just unrealistic and dangerous. If I were in a swing state I would be writing what you wrote pretty much exactly. As far as voting history, I think this is a long string for me having three parties on my ballot. I wish I kept track haha.

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    I'll throw in my protest vote for Johnson. I don't particularly like him, or Stein, really no one in the race has caught my real support since Bernie lost his chance. Fuck authority anyway.

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    I decided not to vote for Johnson because I didn't think the party had earned the support. They need to grow up a little and attract better candidates if they want to be taken seriously. I would support this, but Johnson was a weak choice that showed the party isn't very organized or logistically/tactically serious.

    Success requires someone who can turn ideology into credible candidates.

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    Johnson, for reasons stated above regarding MA and helping to add legitimacy to a 3rd party.

    Clinton and Trump are miserable human beings and are collasally bad for this country; just in different ways. If either disappeared from the planet today I would not shed a tear.

    I don't particularly love Johnson, and Weld even less so, but having more options for us in the future is a good thing long term. It can't get any worse this year can it?

    In the off chance Johnson somehow wins I won't regret that vote. He's still a better choice than the other two.

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    I'll vote for Johnson. Until it looks like the party is viable, they will not get any "good" candidates as anyone worth a damn won't waste their time.

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    Johnson, for the same reasons stated above. CT is going to vote blue no matter what the public says, so I might as well pad his votes so he can get the 5% he needs.

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    Woohoo! Presidential poll indicates landslide for Johnson! America is saved!

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    Re: Presidential voting - Who and Why and Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by SteveM View Post
    I decided not to vote for Johnson because I didn't think the party had earned the support. They need to grow up a little and attract better candidates if they want to be taken seriously. I would support this, but Johnson was a weak choice that showed the party isn't very organized or logistically/tactically serious.

    Success requires someone who can turn ideology into credible candidates.
    So you thought hrc was more credible than Johnson?

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    Woohoo! Presidential poll indicates landslide for Johnson! America is saved!

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    More to the point, Bemused and Beet is Naked are now eligible for public funding and will be on the ballot in all bike forums due to their better than 5% results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilB View Post
    Woohoo! Presidential poll indicates landslide for Johnson! America is saved!

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    Dewey wins in landslide!

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    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    So you thought hrc was more credible than Johnson?
    As a President and world leader, yes.

    As a person, no.

    I'm not happy about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carsick View Post
    More to the point, Bemused and Beet is Naked are now eligible for public funding and will be on the ballot in all bike forums due to their better than 5% results.
    Thank you for acknowledging my continuation of an old tradition

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveM View Post
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    America is far from perfect: our society is imperfect, our leaders are imperfect and we are imperfect. But we are (hopefully) one in the enduring hope that we can work together to make it better for our futures.
    I wish I could share your optimism ...

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    I'm a fan of America's future and of its past. As for the present, this too shall pass. America will find its center again a progress will happen.

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    I voted yesterday. I voted for HRC. This is the first time I have ever voted for anyone but the Republican since I was first eligible to vote for President in 1980.

    I do not like HRC, I disagree with her on many issues and I believe she is largely corrupt and the epitomy of a Washington insider.

    But I believe that Trump would be an unmitigated disaster instead of HRC being a merely poor choice.

    I voted against Obama twice, but I always believed he was a decent person. I just believe he was wrong on many issues. I do not feel that either major party candidate has the same decency, nor have they presented the apparently simple but seemingly difficult skill of just acting like a grown up.

    That being said, what I learned as a child (one of 3 out of 25 who chose Nixon in our 6th grade mock election in the spring of 1972) is that on the morning of November 9, I will awake with a newly elected President and she/he will be our President and will have my support and best wishes for success.

    We've had worse Presidents in all regards than HRC is likely to be and we survived. What we should remember is that the American Democracy does not endure because of it's elected officials, it endures because of its larger ideals and its citizens. Our elected officials are merely temporary caretakers of certain functions which we, the people, have delegated to them.

    As an American, it is more important to me that we move forward as a unified nation than it is to win a partisan argument or expend all our energy tearing away at people to take them down.
    We may fight, we may disagree, but we need to be united in support for our leadership and hope for their success.

    America works best when it's like the families many of us grew up in. We could have hellacious fights within the family, but we did not allow the outsiders to see us squabbling. Then, if someone outside the family took a shot at one of us, they would have to deal with the whole family.

    I hope we can be more mindful of this and do a better job in the next four years of making sure the rest of the world sees a united, strong and indivisible democracy when they look at America and especially if that very small group who wishes us harm looks at the chance that their actions can weaken our unity and resolve.

    America is far from perfect: our society is imperfect, our leaders are imperfect and we are imperfect. But we are (hopefully) one in the enduring hope that we can work together to make it better for our futures.
    I like this post WAY more than just about any single one of your posts in the pot thread.

    Also, thank you for following the sacred unwritten rules of the NESR Poll.

    So in the spirit of those rules..........

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    Thanks,

    Somehow the pot thread turned into generational warfare and I had some fun. Most of us realize that serious political discussion on a motorcycle board is pretty silly to start with.

    We are far from representative of the population and I thought it would be interesting to see just how far that is.

    Everyone has pet issues that they believe are truly critical and when you run into someone who is not as heavily invested in the issue and disagrees with you, then they must be uninformed, wrong or evil.

    It ain't necessarily true, folks. There are a lot of smart people who are educated on the issues and have fun with them here and few morons and zealots on both sides of every issue who cannot see beyond the scripted claptrap they've been spoon fed.

    I could easily make an argument for question 4, but I see both sides and it's probabaly no more than a 54/46 issue for me.

    But here, that would be less fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by loki32687 View Post
    Living in MA, my vote doesn't count for shit if I'm voting for a major party thanks to the electoral college. Giving my vote to the libertarian party puts them a step closer to getting federal funding for campaigning and hopefully that gets us closer to ending the "lesser evil" votes that got us shitbags like Trump and Clinton in the first place.
    This is my thinking as well.

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    Dewey wins in landslide!

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    As a President and world leader, yes.

    As a person, no.

    I'm not happy about it.

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    I don't think the same as you so
    Pretty good summary of how elections work.

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    Im voting for Trump. My 83 year old immigrant father is doing the same. My mum (also an immigrant) is a registered Democrat but isn't exactly enamoured with HRC. I'm not sure who she will be voting for!

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    I'm in for Beet is Naked.

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    Voted for Johnson today, and yes on 4

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