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    Quote Originally Posted by hammadown View Post
    The LEOs on the board could clarify, but I thought it was illegal to refuse to present id to a cop when asked. Maybe that's just a license when driving???
    Correct, when driving or when the officer has reasonable suspicion to believe criminal activity has taken place. So had the man not shown his ID you could make a case for him being arrested, but by all accounts he did eventually show ID after being an asshole about it. Which, again, is probably not the best idea, but is also not illegal in any way.

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    If the state has a 'stop and identify' law, you must identify yourself when asked.

    Edit: If the police have reasonable suspicion of a crime.

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    Given the way his responses are described in the article (and the article seems to side him) it still sounds like there was enough for disorderly conduct. Its really hard to tell exactly what happened but it really seems like he put up a fight and something just feels like he deserved to be arrested. Without being there, its tough to say, but either way this whole things is a shit show for nothing IMO.

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    And that is what makes this a civil rights issue. You can't arrest someone because you feel like they deserve it. And by all accounts I've seen, that's what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honclfibr View Post
    And that is what makes this a civil rights issue. You can't arrest someone because you feel like they deserve it. And by all accounts I've seen, that's what happened.
    I wont disagree, but my motivation was really the fact that he played the race card. We all agree it doesn't work here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankenstain View Post
    If I'm breaking into my own place and a cop asks me for ID, I'm showing it to him no questions asked. What I'm not doing is flipping out and calling him a racist and then going on and on about the plight of the American black man. This guy didn't get arrested for being black, he got arrested for being an asshole.
    short and sweet and to the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honclfibr View Post
    And that is what makes this a civil rights issue. You can't arrest someone because you feel like they deserve it. And by all accounts I've seen, that's what happened.
    no, but you CAN arrest someone for being belligerent, breach of peace, and uncooperative to police
    it has nothing to do with feeling like it, it has to do with being an asshole.
    when has being an asshole to a cop ever been a good idea for ANYONE?

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    I think Honclkjtrflk nailed this one. He acted like an asshole, and the cop did what most cops do, which was arrest him for disorderly conduct. "Let's see how argumentative you are when I throw your ass in a jail cell!"

    However, being an asshole is not the same thing as disorderly conduct, and you can't arrest someone for just being a jerk. Kind of unfortunate that this point is not being made and he keeps playing the race card. To me it's almost a little offensive, given that there have been a lot of victims of genuine racism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerberus View Post
    no, but you CAN arrest someone for
    being belligerent
    No, you can't.
    breach of peace
    This is the same thing as disorderly conduct. And would require that the person be causing a nuisance in public or resisting a lawful arrest. Neither or which happened here by any accounts I'm aware of.

    and uncooperative to police
    Again, no.

    it has nothing to do with feeling like it, it has to do with being an asshole.when has being an asshole to a cop ever been a good idea for ANYONE?
    Never, but that doesn't mean you can be arrested for it, any more than you can be arrested for being an asshole to anyone else. Police have no special protections under the law against assholes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hammadown View Post
    I wont disagree, but my motivation was really the fact that he played the race card. We all agree it doesn't work here.
    Agreed, I think it was bullshit to play the race card, and we would never have heard about this except for the fact he was arrested. At which point people with an ax to grind are trying to make this into a race issue when it is, and should be, a civil rights issue.

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    black, white, purple - doesnt matter he was a dick

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    A disorderly person is defined as one who:

    * with purpose to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or
    * recklessly creates a risk thereof
    * engages in fighting or threatening, violent or tumultuous behavior, or
    * creates a hazard or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose.

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    I thought I read the only ID he produced was his Harvard Univ. ID.

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    IANAL but this is the way I understand it.

    You have to identify yourself if asked to by an officer. You don't have to produce any kind of ID card although they are allowed to ask for it. You have to give them your name, address, and DOB. The reason that you don't have to present an ID card is that you don't have to carry ID in the USA and therefore if you don't have it you cannot provide it. Requiring you to provide it would defacto require that you carry it. And it is still(supposedly) a free country and you don't have to carry any "papers please" here. I believe there was a SCOTUS case on it but I am too busy to look it up right now.

    You do have to present a DL if you are driving a car, not if you are a passenger. And most states require that you provide a gun permit if asked for it when you have guns in your possession(the ones that make you get permits anyway).

    I believe that if they have probable cause to detain you, and you don't have any ID on you, and they can't positively ID you than can hold you until they do. But I believe there's a time limit on how long they can hold you.

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    You can't get arrested for being uncooperative to police? I'll be damned. How many episodes of Cops have I watched and seen just that happen.

    Wouldn't that be impeding an investigation? You can get arrested for that I thought. By the sounds of it, this dumbass did just that. Instead of cooperating he gave the officer(s) the run around. Him doing so may have prevented the officers from finding the real perp, who actually broke into a neighboring apartment, raped some chick, knifed an elderly couple....whatever.

    I say haul that mf'er to jail. His whining and crying could very easily have allowed someone to die. And Harvard professor means shit. I use to drive my Dartmouth twice a day... some of the smartest idiots I have ever seen.

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    some of the smartest idiots I have ever seen.
    Intelligence and education do not equal wisdom. There are plenty of people with high IQs and ivy league degrees that are too god-damn dumb to realize it. They think because they scored high on a test and/or earned academic accolades from a high profile educational institution that that means that they are wise. It doesn't.

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    Well the professional race baiters are securing their position

    They MUST keep race in the news and that just because there is a black in the white house doesn't mean that they should stand down and get another career.

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    Rule #1 Never fuck with the cops! You wont win...

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    Quote Originally Posted by brendanp View Post
    Rule #1 Never fuck with the cops! You wont win...
    unless they fuck with you first? gotta know when to standup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kham View Post
    unless they fuck with you first? gotta know when to standup.
    Yes, and standing up is never advised during the incident. Stand up after in court, you at that point have a major advantage. You will lose during an incident.

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    Yes, and standing up is never advised during the incident. Stand up after in court, you at that point have a major advantage. You will lose during an incident.


    during the incident, the police have authority, by all counts of the law,
    during court, the Judge has the authority to put a 'bad' cop in his place. Credibility goes a long way with a judge, and being a jack-ass and disrespecting authroity prior to court quickly destroys credibility.

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    Plus, the mother F'er has a gun and hand cuffs! He wins.

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    what if they told you to strip by the side of the road cuz they suspect the drug, found nothing then took off. happen to me before. no court date to standup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kham View Post
    what if they told you to strip by the side of the road cuz they suspect the drug, found nothing then took off. happen to me before. no court date to standup.
    Badge number and file a complaint, ask for another officer, dial 911

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