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    Re: Trump


    Quote Originally Posted by ilikenapalm View Post
    I just love that there are people that still support him. It's quite interesting how human psychology works.
    I think you confused interesting with sad.

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    Re: Trump

    It all depends what you pay attention to.

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    Re: Trump

    Quite honestly, it'd be nice to understand exactly the reasons people still support him so that those reasons could be addressed. There is no question Trump is setting us back years and years as a country. We're not the world leader we used to be.

    The funny thing is, I think a lot of the support came from the whole "he listens to groups of people who have been unheard for too long." Yet, in reality, he has done nothing to help those people, and they continue to support him.

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    Re: Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by scottieducati View Post
    But wait, there's more.... rehired by Trump 2020 campaign minutes later.

    I'm sure this dumpster fire is going to end well.
    He just got a license to commit MORE financial crimes. You know, “fundraising”.

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    Re: Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by ilikenapalm View Post
    . We're not the world leader we used to be.

    Yet, in reality, he has done nothing to help those people, and they continue to support him.
    We haven't been the country we hold ourselves up to be for quite some time. That decline started well before Trump, though he accelerated it.

    Most politicians don't really do shit for the people who support them. Smoke and mirrors everywhere. One day enough people might realize the true two party system has become the people vs the politicians and do something about it.

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    Re: Trump

    But Donald Trump is an outsider. He isn't a career politician. He isn't a GOP insider pick. He is one of the non conformist choices you speak of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    But Donald Trump is an outsider. He isn't a career politician. He isn't a GOP insider pick. He is one of the non conformist choices you speak of.
    He thinks an acts like a politician though. He 's basically a politician disguised as a business man. It's all about him and everyone else are mere pawns in his game.

    One doesn't get to where he is in life without understanding politics through and through. He might have not been a candidate before but he knows how to play the game. He played it well enough to win didn't he? He's well over his head now but he certainly had everyone right where he wanted them throughout the election.

    The amazing thing is that this countries attention span is measured in seconds. If more people paid attention to what he's done throughout his life instead of just listening to sound bytes he wouldn't be as popular.

    The same can be said for any of them really. Say the right thing at the right time even when you don't mean it (and proven otherwise too) and boom, people eat it up. Great psychological experiment as someone said earlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by e30addict View Post
    He thinks an acts like a politician though. He 's basically a politician disguised as a business man. It's all about him and everyone else are mere pawns in his game.
    So, purely out of curiosity, who(generally or specifically) do you think would make the ideal presidential or congressional candidate?

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    Re: Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by TwelveGaugeSage View Post
    So, purely out of curiosity, who(generally or specifically) do you think would make the ideal presidential or congressional candidate?
    Fucked if I'm smart enough to answer that, I just like to bitch about the "choices" we are given.

    I think most likely it's too late to talk about Presidential candidates having any meaningful effect anyway.

    Any real change needs to come from people waking up and starting at the town/state level. It would probably be a pretty drastic change and will never happen so pawns we will be.

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    Re: Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by TwelveGaugeSage View Post
    So, purely out of curiosity, who(generally or specifically) do you think would make the ideal presidential or congressional candidate?
    Ideal, I don't see anyone that qualifies. As for good candidates, I'd support Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, or Justin Amash. On the other side of the aisle, I might be willing to support Dennis Kucinich -- I disagree with him about a lot of things, but I at least have some respect for him, and his integrity is decent. In 2020, specifically, I think we need Trump to go, so I could support some opponents against him, who I normally would not be inclined to. Corey Booker looks to me to be the best of the current crop. Again, I disagree with him a lot, but he does seem to be more-or-less rational, and we need that badly. OTOH, if the Dems give us (again) the usual suspects -- any Clinton, Sanders, Warren, Schumer, Cuomo, Biden -- it'll be independent party for sure. Likewise for Oprah, or some other entertainment or sports figure.

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    I hope its not snowing in dc, so rex and Steve can march straight over to BobbyM's office and sing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilikenapalm View Post
    Quite honestly, it'd be nice to understand exactly the reasons people still support him so that those reasons could be addressed.
    As horrible as it is, it is actually quite fascinating from a psychological studies standpoint. I work in a small shop with 8 other guys, all trump supporters in varying degrees. One would support any Republican, telling me, "I would vote for a child molester before a Democrat". One has seemed in a hypnotic trance whenever the subject of Trump comes up ever since he announced he would run. He also watches algorithmically generated conspiracy theories on YouTube, but is politically fairly moderate. Another is a Pentecostal who speaks in tongues, loves the 700 Club, is really excited that the rapture will be coming soon, and was reading this book when I saw him at work today: 'The Trump Prophecies': Mark Taylor's Demon-Filled Predictions For The US | Right Wing Watch

    Through much frustration I have been trying to understand their views. Some of it makes sense, but most of it totally boggles my mind. The die hard Republican just hates anything remotely left-wing, the trance guy seems like a person who has fallen for a con man, and the Pentecostal just REALLY wants that rapture to hurry up and arrive. I think for the most part, the others just really hated Hillary and bought into a lot of the fake propaganda that was spreading like wild fire during the election. Studying them is difficult though, as they light to gang up on me in political discussions and it goes to shit in a hurry. I have to leave the lounge when they turn on Fox News in order to maintain my own sanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwelveGaugeSage View Post
    As horrible as it is, it is actually quite fascinating from a psychological studies standpoint. I work in a small shop with 8 other guys, all trump supporters in varying degrees. One would support any Republican, telling me, "I would vote for a child molester before a Democrat". One has seemed in a hypnotic trance whenever the subject of Trump comes up ever since he announced he would run. He also watches algorithmically generated conspiracy theories on YouTube, but is politically fairly moderate. Another is a Pentecostal who speaks in tongues, loves the 700 Club, is really excited that the rapture will be coming soon, and was reading this book when I saw him at work today: 'The Trump Prophecies': Mark Taylor's Demon-Filled Predictions For The US | Right Wing Watch

    Through much frustration I have been trying to understand their views. Some of it makes sense, but most of it totally boggles my mind. The die hard Republican just hates anything remotely left-wing, the trance guy seems like a person who has fallen for a con man, and the Pentecostal just REALLY wants that rapture to hurry up and arrive. I think for the most part, the others just really hated Hillary and bought into a lot of the fake propaganda that was spreading like wild fire during the election. Studying them is difficult though, as they light to gang up on me in political discussions and it goes to shit in a hurry. I have to leave the lounge when they turn on Fox News in order to maintain my own sanity.
    Look, there are an awful lot of die-hard Democrats that would vote for Che Guevara if he ran for Democrat over Elizabeth Warren if she ran as a Republican. Bad behavior is not just on one side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by number9 View Post
    Look, there are an awful lot of die-hard Democrats that would vote for Che Guevara if he ran for Democrat over Elizabeth Warren if she ran as a Republican. Bad behavior is not just on one side.
    Truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwelveGaugeSage View Post
    Another is a Pentecostal who speaks in tongues, loves the 700 Club, is really excited that the rapture will be coming soon, and was reading this book when I saw him at work today: 'The Trump Prophecies': Mark Taylor's Demon-Filled Predictions For The US | Right Wing Watch
    Reading the review of that book makes me wonder if this level of lunacy exists in other developed countries. I mean, other developed countries have wacky xenophobic politicians and all (e.g. LePen or Berlusconi), but a book like that -- and the whole subculture around it -- is at a whole nother level. Supernatural propaganda that detached from reality you'd expect in a country with low education rates (like Afghanistan or Somalia), or maybe rural parts of this country in the early 19th century. But how can modern people with high school educations still believe crazy stuff like that today? Do subcultures like this exist anywhere else in the developed world? If not, what's unique about the USA that allows these beliefs to persist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeswamp View Post
    Reading the review of that book makes me wonder if this level of lunacy exists in other developed countries.
    I'm sure it does, but look at certain data. The vast majority of people in developed countries think we are crazy for our views on things like climate change denial, our reliance on for-profit health insurance, and our gun culture. Even the far-right parties in countries with universal healthcare support that system.

    Knowing this co-worker, I wasn't even mildly shocked by the reading of said book. He believes in faith healing, thinks scientists are demon worshipers, and once had a book on eating a diet based on blood type, which he was following pretty closely for months before deciding it wasn't working out. I hadn't heard of this Trump book when I saw him reading it, and it took some searching to find real information about it. What shocked me even more was one of my more normal co-workers reading The Big Lie: Exposing the Nazi Roots of the American Left by that wacko D'souza.

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    So we've gone from "alternative facts" to "Hey, I just make shit up. Deal with it." So much for a post-truth environment. Now it's not even about what counts as "truth." It's just random BS that reflects the musings of the moment.

    What saddens me is that this won't make a bit of difference. His supporters just don't care. Classic cult of personality... Trump can do no wrong in their eyes. Porn star payoffs, overt racism and mysogyny, embracing FUCKING NAZIS ferchrissakes, fawning over Putin, throwing staunch allies under the bus, obviously working to subvert democratic institutions, pulling bait-and-switches on issues that have overwhelming public support... you name it, it's still "GOD BLESS DONALD TRUMP!"

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    Evangelicals will support satan himself if it means they get to continue having the most influence on a seat of power. Trump can do no wrong until he actually disavows evangelicals.

    Poor marginalized evangelicals. Attacks on Christianity. Persecuted for their beliefs. Classic David vs Goliath! Stop beating up on the little guy!


    Oh, btw, evangelicals are the single largest religious denomination in the entire US. More than Catho's. More than Jews. More than ANY other single religious group. 25% according to the Pew Research Center.

    If they turned on him, he'd be all done. But they won't, because they could give A FUCKING RATS ASS about jesus and all their preachy bullshit. It's about power, getting it, retaining it, and defending it.

    Pieces of shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilB View Post
    Ideal, I don't see anyone that qualifies. As for good candidates, I'd support Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, or Justin Amash. On the other side of the aisle, I might be willing to support Dennis Kucinich -- I disagree with him about a lot of things, but I at least have some respect for him, and his integrity is decent. In 2020, specifically, I think we need Trump to go, so I could support some opponents against him, who I normally would not be inclined to. Corey Booker looks to me to be the best of the current crop. Again, I disagree with him a lot, but he does seem to be more-or-less rational, and we need that badly. OTOH, if the Dems give us (again) the usual suspects -- any Clinton, Sanders, Warren, Schumer, Cuomo, Biden -- it'll be independent party for sure. Likewise for Oprah, or some other entertainment or sports figure.

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    And now McMaster is on his way out.

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    I heard the guys that have worked the longest at the White House are the ones installing the revolving door...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    And now McMaster is on his way out.

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    McMaster is a really competent guy who does not suffer fools gladly. That's why he's getting booted... not because he isn't one of the "best people" but because he did not please the Supreme Leader.

    Trump said "I'm getting closer to having the cabinet I want."

    I think he's making the same mistake that totalitarian rulers down through the ages have made. Anyone who doesn't agree, anyone who talks back or displeases the ruler, is out.

    The result is a distorted, unbalanced view that inevitably leads to poor, even disastrous, decisions. Not that Trump doesn't already have a distorted, ill-informed view of the world (he freely admits he made up the Canada trade deficit thing just two days ago), but by replacing those who have the balls to speak the truth to him with yes-men, he's further isolating himself from the reality of the situation.

    Saddam Hussein made this mistake, prioritizing loyalty and adherence to the party line over clear-eyed objective thinking. Look how that turned out in the first Gulf War. He completely misread the situation at every turn and we crushed him.

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    Springtime for Sycophants - The New York Times
    So how does someone who misunderstands such a basic, well-understood point about taxes and trade get to be a key economic adviser? As I said, it’s because he tells the boss what he wants to hear. More than that, he’s willing to abase himself in extraordinary ways.

    Here’s what he told Bloomberg recently: “My function, really, as an economist is to try to provide the underlying analytics that confirm his intuition. And his intuition is always right in these matters.”

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