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    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    Corporations shouldn't ever need loans from the people. Sell stock/corp bonds.

    Besides, they just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. If they didn't have fancy cell phones, big screen TV's, and eat avocado toast, they would be fine right now. Maybe if they went into a safe industry that made money instead of whatever business they decided to "follow their dreams" into, then they wouldn't be in this situation.

    Isn't that how this works?
    fwiw, I'm for neither, individuals can put it on a credit card just as easy as the corp.
    bad credit ? not joe taxpayer problem

    I was just relaying the differences in the plans as I heard reported on NPR and not from a facebook meme

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyO View Post
    and how does Pelosi stay in office beyond her term ? that ends Jan 3 unless reelected
    She would have to be elected or appointed by the governor of CA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyO View Post
    and who will that be? every house member's term expires Jan 3, unless they are re-elected, and how does that happen if there are no elections
    It varies by state, but most (probably all) allow the governor to appoint someone to serve until the next regular state election or special election. Regardless, the framers of the constitution were careful not to put us in a position where we'd be leaderless or ruled by someone that was not elected or not in the line of succession.

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    Re: Trump

    This is Politico's take on the differences in the proposals as of Monday. It's not a long article. There may be bias in the article, not just the language, but in the details that were selected and those that were omitted.

    Obviously, some of the things funded and the amounts mentioned are negotiating positions; the same was true for the Republican bill. Since then they seem to have hammered out most of the differences.

    I got this in a quick search, if anyone finds something better, I'd like to read it. Like most of you, I suspect you'll agree with some Democratic positions and some Republican positions, or wish they'd meet in the middle.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...navirus-145388

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    What if Lincoln said that it was up to the individual states, not the federal government to decide how to react to the threats posed in 1860?
    What if Roosevelt said that it was up to the individual states, not the federal government to decide how to react to the threats posed in 1941?
    What if Trump said that it was up to the individual states, not the federal government to decide how to react to illegal immigration because it does not affect all states equally?

    Even the most ardent small government type has to see that this is why we have a federal government and not just a loosely affiliated collection of independent states.

    The Federal government takes the lead on issues of National importance. Logically, if the Federal government points to the states to take the lead as they see fit in their own state, then the Federal government must not believe this is a matter of National importance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveM View Post
    What if Lincoln said that it was up to the individual states, not the federal government to decide how to react to the threats posed in 1860?
    What if Roosevelt said that it was up to the individual states, not the federal government to decide how to react to the threats posed in 1941?
    What if Trump said that it was up to the individual states, not the federal government to decide how to react to illegal immigration because it does not affect all states equally?

    Even the most ardent small government type has to see that this is why we have a federal government and not just a loosely affiliated collection of independent states.

    The Federal government takes the lead on issues of National importance. Logically, if the Federal government points to the states to take the lead as they see fit in their own state, then the Federal government must not believe this is a matter of National importance.
    The federal government sure is taking the lead when it comes to a quick cash injection for your voter base in an election year. Trump is as dumb as a brick, but some of his team sure know how to keep a bumpkin a happy bumpkin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rambunctous View Post
    This spending a amount equal to 1/4 (according to oVTo and others) of the nations debt is crazy. I think the prudent thing to do is fund unemployment and stream line the process so those affected can get checks fast. Along with the extensions already given to businesses making quarterly payments that should be enough. Then wait out this Chinese Virus about 6 weeks and see where the country stands. Spending like Bush and Obama is nuts. I was already thinking Trump should have curtailed spending in his first three years. After 6 weeks the blunt of this issue will be over and maybe we can get back to a even better economy with pumped up demand.
    If you hadn't called it "this Chinese Virus" I would be asking who the FUCK hacked your account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oVTo View Post
    Like most of you, I suspect you'll agree with some Democratic positions and some Republican positions, or wish they'd meet in the middle.
    I wish that they hadn't met in the middle...
    https://prospect.org/coronavirus/uns...ike-any-other/

    (The guy that wrote the article discussing it in an interview)

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    The minority of the population that got little to nothing from this scam are going to have to pay for it. Those that benefitted most are at the top and pay little in taxes especially compared to what they are about to reap. And those at the bottom are all lovey dovey with the $1200 the .gov just bought them with. But both sides can't be wrong, so I guess I have to dig into this to see who should be blamed for letting this go through....

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    So, the group that pays proportionally the most taxes in the country gets fucked by the stimulus package. Thanks Trump. Thanks Pelosi. This "stimulus package" is just spending our money to gain the affections of voters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OreoGaborio View Post
    If you hadn't called it "this Chinese Virus" I would be asking who the FUCK hacked your account.

    The Chinese people are awesome. I have worked with hundreds of them one on one with their skiing. The very best. And they never swear or make rude gestures to the elderly.. It's their government that sucks. And they need to cancel our debt now.




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    The great Chinese people need some of this:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Degsy View Post
    So, the group that pays proportionally the most taxes in the country gets fucked by the stimulus package. Thanks Trump. Thanks Pelosi. This "stimulus package" is just spending our money to gain the affections of voters.
    You have to pick one or the other, both sides can't as bad as the other, proven NESR fact.

    This is just another "wealth shift" to the upper class and buying campaign monies with our dollars. Yeah a lot of money went to the lower class, but all that money will go to credit card debt or quick purchases as most recipients don't have a financial buffer to get through this ordeal. So again, that money shifts straight back up the food chain. And just like the stimulus of 08/09, it will be done through where else but the bank$. They'll get their cut in the form of interest and fees. Yep, always take advantage of a crisis...

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    Ladies and gentleman of NESR, permission to treat this witness as if I'm a Republican

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rambunctous View Post
    This spending a amount equal to 1/4 (according to oVTo and others) of the nations debt is crazy. I think the prudent thing to do is fund unemployment and stream line the process so those affected can get checks fast. Along with the extensions already given to businesses making quarterly payments that should be enough. Then wait out this Chinese Virus about 6 weeks and see where the country stands. Spending like Bush and Obama is nuts. I was already thinking Trump should have curtailed spending in his first three years. After 6 weeks the blunt of this issue will be over and maybe we can get back to a even better economy with pumped up demand.
    What do you have to say for the failure of this "tough on borders" administration of keeping Americans safe?

    These illegal Chinese virus unemployed bastards have snuck into our country through the open borders instead of them being shut down.

    Now thousands of red blooded real Americans are dead, millions are unemployed, our economy has gone to shit, martial law is in effect.

    We are experiencing communist bullshit of empty shelves without necessities. Socialistic, anti capitalist bail outs of companies who are being trained to be dependent on the governments tit for money.

    Our deficit spending is out of control fucking future generations.

    The Dictator trump takes no responsibility. Pence the corona Czar is a failure. National pray day did nothing. Hospitals are being overwhelmed and there is no end in sight.

    What do you have to say to all of that Democratic bullshit that was made by King RHINO in chief that you defend?




    I think I hit most of the talking points that would be in the FAKE NEWS circa de 2010 era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rambunctous View Post
    The Chinese people are awesome. I have worked with hundreds of them one on one with their skiing. The very best. And they never swear or make rude gestures to the elderly.. It's their government that sucks. And they need to cancel our debt now.



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    Trump’s panties are in a bunch over these Lincoln Project ads.


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    Quote Originally Posted by obsolete View Post
    I ever tell you about my black friends?
    Once. Tell us again about the high fives bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rambunctous View Post
    Once. Tell us again about the high fives bro.
    I think you should start a kumbaya thread about what got us all into motorcycles, what we’ve owned, what we want, favorite ride spots, etc, you start off. We can all reconnect with our motorcyclist preferences and break the political divide.



    I mean, we all have the time!!

    Hey Oreo, look I used the edit button!!

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    I honestly believe that Trump doesn't want to help states deal with this crisis. especially Blue ones!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bassomatic View Post
    Trump’s panties are in a bunch over these Lincoln Project ads.
    And not only is he threatening to sue the group that placed the ad but he is attempting to use his power as POTUS to pull the broadcast license of TV stations that show the ad

    Quote Originally Posted by MUZ720 View Post
    I honestly believe that Trump doesn't want to help states deal with this crisis. especially Blue ones!
    Well, ya know, maybe if they're NICE to him he'll see what he can do.....MAYBE


    President Donald Trump on Tuesday appeared to condition giving federal aid to fight the coronavirus outbreak on whether states "treat us well."

    During a Fox News town hall on Tuesday, Trump talked about providing critical support, like building new hospitals and supplying ventilators, to states hit hard by the spread of the virus.

    "It's a two-way street," Trump said of his discussions with governors about providing their states with federal aid.
    "They have to treat us well also. They can't say, 'Oh gee, we should get this, we should get that.' We're doing a great job."
    QUID PRO QUO once again
    So PETTY....So unprofessional.....So beneath the Office of the POTUS......

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    Quote Originally Posted by MUZ720 View Post
    I honestly believe that Trump doesn't want to help states deal with this crisis. especially Blue ones!
    I am curious what you read for news. I want to follow along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rambunctous View Post
    I am curious what you read for news. I want to follow along.
    Open your eyes its in plan view!

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    President Donald Trump on Tuesday appeared to condition giving federal aid to fight the coronavirus outbreak on whether states "treat us well."
    This really is the only statement you need! but wait you still have your head in the sand or your ass! once you remove it from either the former or the later you will see the light dawn on marble head!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MUZ720 View Post
    Open your eyes its in plan view!
    Is Massachusetts a "blue" state?

    https://www.masslive.com/coronavirus...l-funding.html

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