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    Re: 450L


    This is awesome. A full performance, street legal, Honda offroad bike? These are going to sell. The only mainstream ride that is similar is the 350/500exc. Props to Honda for making this bike. I could see his replacing my Vstrom and KTM.

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    Re: 450L

    I've been oogling the 690 enduro and 500 plus a set of 17s for dual duty, but now this throws another into the mix. Hmmm...

    Guess I'll just keep dreaming for now anyway.

    Would probably be cheaper here in NH to just find a few year old 450 and throw a few lights on it.

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    Re: 450L

    Quote Originally Posted by SRTie4k View Post
    And they'll probably discontinue it after 2 years because nobody buys it.
    Yeah I can see another non seller. And if it really is corked down to 25hp??

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    Quote Originally Posted by backinthesaddle View Post
    Yeah I can see another non seller. And if it really is corked down to 25hp??
    I doubt the 25 is anywhere near right. With the X around 45, I can't see it being much lower than that. But even at 45 horsepower, it's still heavier and down around 15 hp from its Euro rivals. The only way I would consider one of these is if it the maintenance was a lot lower than the Beta. Especially at the announced price point.

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    Re: 450L

    This thing has the new motor right? That makes 60 in the MX bike. I doubt it will be below 50 even detuned.

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    Re: 450L

    Quote Originally Posted by TwelveGaugeSage View Post
    People are using this, probably completely unreliable, source to claim it only has 25 horsepower: 2019 Honda CRF450L Review of Specs / Features + R&D Info | All-NEW Dual-Sport Motorcycle!

    My guess is right around 40, but that's still way under Beta and KTMs current offerings.
    Unreliable? Please don't assume. All of the information I post and have posted for years is directly from Honda. I try to be helpful and give information to those that want every little detail, so nobody is possibly going into a purchase blind when it comes to certain info as a lot of information isn't publicly shared by manufacturers etc. Sorry if the facts aren't what some want to hear.

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    Re: 450L

    Quote Originally Posted by maxim_X View Post
    This thing has the new motor right? That makes 60 in the MX bike. I doubt it will be below 50 even detuned.
    I'm guessing 40, 20000mi interval to the first major service says the revs are limited and the cams are mild.

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    Re: 450L

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurlon View Post
    I'm guessing 40, 20000mi interval to the first major service says the revs are limited and the cams are mild.
    Will they get rid of the Ti stuff do you think? I think the 450R has titanium valves and/or retainers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by number9 View Post
    Will they get rid of the Ti stuff do you think? I think the 450R has titanium valves and/or retainers...
    Absolutely they will, if this thing is a maint whore like a regular 450R it'll be a bomb.

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    Re: 450L

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurlon View Post
    I'm guessing 40, 20000mi interval to the first major service says the revs are limited and the cams are mild.
    New Honda CRF450L road-legal enduro unve... | Visordown

    Second source quoting 25hp. Blaming Euro 4 compliance.

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    Re: 450L

    I guess we can wait for something official, but the 250 makes the same as that. Maybe they are taking those numbers? What would the point of this be if it's the same power?

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    Tuned for street/touring abuse. Look at the CRF250L.
    Although I still don't believe 25hp, that seems too low.
    If euro 4 is to blame, it should be just a matter of money to wake it up. No?
    Interesting that KTM seems to make power and be compliant, no?

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    Wtf are they copying from the wrong place?

    If so, flop bike

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    Re: 450L

    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    Tuned for street/touring abuse. Look at the CRF250L.
    Although I still don't believe 25hp, that seems too low.
    If euro 4 is to blame, it should be just a matter of money to wake it up. No?
    Interesting that KTM seems to make power and be compliant, no?
    Look at the maint intervals to see the difference in the two:

    Honda - 20k miles to first 'major' service.
    KTM 500 EXC - 30 hour valve check interval, every 70 to 135 hours you're to pull the engine at which time you're to replace:
    - Piston
    - Valves, springs, seats
    - Connecting rod, bearings, pin
    - Waterpump seal
    - Suction pump
    - Timing chain
    - All engine bearings
    - 'Freewheel' (Flywheel?)

    For comparison, my 300 has approx 250 hours and only 4000 miles... Hell, my 2003 R6 hasn't even clocked 15k miles yet. On the other hand Roland will likely be on his 3rd complete overhaul by now.

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    So Euro 4 is met through a more aggressive maintenance schedule? I do not think so.
    They must have corked this thing right up.

    The lower compression, heavier flywheel and such is likely half the story. I'm guessing the "catalyst" exhaust and EFI programming is most of the rest of it. .. And there's a huge aftermarket for "fixing" that.

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    Re: 450L

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurlon View Post
    Look at the maint intervals to see the difference in the two:

    Honda - 20k miles to first 'major' service.
    KTM 500 EXC - 30 hour valve check interval, every 70 to 135 hours you're to pull the engine at which time you're to replace:
    - Piston
    - Valves, springs, seats
    - Connecting rod, bearings, pin
    - Waterpump seal
    - Suction pump
    - Timing chain
    - All engine bearings
    - 'Freewheel' (Flywheel?)

    For comparison, my 300 has approx 250 hours and only 4000 miles... Hell, my 2003 R6 hasn't even clocked 15k miles yet. On the other hand Roland will likely be on his 3rd complete overhaul by now.
    There are lots of 500’s out there with way beyond whatever book spec you’re quoting.
    I know of one with 350hrs and a single valve check that is literally flawless. Keep the air filter clean, change the oil regularly and once the thing breaks in check and adjust and ride.

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    Hmmm...so it might Actually be a bigger boring crf250L blah

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    Re: 450L

    I quoted the US owners manual for the 2019 500 EXC. I'm saying that between Euro 4 emissions choking the bike down AND wanting street style service intervals that LOTS of things were changed from the 450X/R which results in a very mild bike.

    Actually, doing some digging it looks like US emissions standards are stricter than Euro 4, lots of people prefer the 'Euro' mapping for 2017 and later 500 EXCs but KTM started making getting and applying it difficult?

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    Re: 450L

    If the 450L power, compared to the motocross 450F, ends up being a similar performance comparison between crf 250L and Motocross crf 250F, then my level of interest just went from “very“ to “none at all“.

    My buddy’s 250 L is one of the most gutless motorcycles I’ve ever ridden...and another friend’s crf450 (motor version) is the exact opposite. We call it “Godzilla” and it’s a fitting nickname.

    If they detune the new 450L as much as the 250s, I may as well just keep the drz400 for dual sport! Lot cheaper too...

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    Lower performance, higher price...why not?

    On the other hand it may be fun easy tractor bike...a lot of Honda XR platforms were made like that. Low on the horsepower numbers side, but strong with the tractable mid range torque side, and the end result is super fun fun. The 250L was likely made to target that feel and failed because it’s gutless, so maybe they just made a bigger one. I remember liking the XR100, then riding the XR200 and thinking, “Coooool...all the things I liked about the XR100 but way more torque and more travel.”

    But if that’s the case, why not price towards the DRZ market?

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    Re: 450L

    So being in NH, what would the draw back be of finding a few year old 450x and plating that? Maint intervals? Lack of 6th gear?

    Sounds like it may be the way to go if this thing is as corked up as they are claiming.

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    That’s what I would do in NH

    This seems more ADV friendly

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    Re: 450L

    I literally just watched a plated 450x drive by my house. Serendipitous.

    Squidly as fuck (this one), but yeah...

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    Re: 450L

    On the Honda website as a 2019 model. 289 lbs. I think Ti fuel tanks will proliferate.

    2019 CRF450L - Honda Powersports

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