New dirt rider advice

[Paul_E_D]

How do we feel about crf250x, wr250, or ttr250?


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All good. The first two are more serious bikes than the ttr.

[aldend123]

I have a TTR250. I've really enjoyed it. On the lookout for a cheap CRF250X or WR250F based on everything I've read about them because they just seem like the bikes that improved on what the TTR250 did right.

The TTR250 is a little hefty, and this is very obvious when you're new. Becomes less of a problem fairly quickly. Decently popular outside the US, but aftermarket stateside is pretty weak. Throttle response is slow, but good low torque, pretty hard to stall. E-start, but no kicker in the US from the factory. Front suspension isn't that great when pushed hard, but medium pace seems to do just fine. If it weren't for the heft, I'd call it a great first adult bike.

It seems like riding personalities can be best broken down in to 2 stroke types, or 4 stroke types. Regardless of the actual engine, there's the types who use the throttle as an on-off switch, live for the instant brap, ride with the rear end dancing everywhere. I am the opposite. The TTR250 will probably be a big disappointment to the looser riders.

[Jewcati]

Yeah I was looking at this one
2006 Yamaha ttr250


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[aldend123]

I think it was pretty much identical from 2000 to that 2006. And I'm not sure it was considered modern or current in 2000 either. I think his asking price might be guided by the 2006 year when you're basically looking at a year 2000 bike. Despite looking pretty clean, I'd probably want to be more <$1500 for that era vehicle, but I'm far from valuation expert. Otherwise, seems like you're spending enough to be looking at similar vintage CRF250X or WR250F.

Edit: If you aren't super cheap, time is money. Get some riding in before the year is over. The used market isn't nearly as strong for any of these three as it is for the KTM's, TTR125, CRF150 etc.

[typeone]

Go that way. Really really fast. If something gets in your way.......Turn!

Have you any idea what the street value of this mountain is?

back on topic... 2-STROKE

[Jewcati]

2006 KTM 200 EXC $2500
2006 KTM 200 EXC

Spoke to this guy, he will go 2250, but no title. Do you think that is a decent deal?


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[Paul_E_D]

Seems like it's in the right range. Bike looks good, but pics don't tell all. Inquire about maintenance of chasis bearings. Swingarm/shock/steering head. Ask about hours, and top end replacements. Powervalve maintenance. Inspect chain/sprockets/tires/brake pads. Look for any signs of leaky suspension or countershaft seals.

If you see anything that looks iffy, haggle. If not pull the trigger! Sweet bike.

[nhbubba]

Why in fucks name do people not keep or get the title on a $8000 motorcycle?!

[csmutty]

I have a TTR250. I've really enjoyed it. On the lookout for a cheap CRF250X or WR250F based on everything I've read about them because they just seem like the bikes that improved on what the TTR250 did right.

The TTR250 is a little hefty, and this is very obvious when you're new. Becomes less of a problem fairly quickly. Decently popular outside the US, but aftermarket stateside is pretty weak. Throttle response is slow, but good low torque, pretty hard to stall. E-start, but no kicker in the US from the factory. Front suspension isn't that great when pushed hard, but medium pace seems to do just fine. If it weren't for the heft, I'd call it a great first adult bike.

It seems like riding personalities can be best broken down in to 2 stroke types, or 4 stroke types. Regardless of the actual engine, there's the types who use the throttle as an on-off switch, live for the instant brap, ride with the rear end dancing everywhere. I am the opposite. The TTR250 will probably be a big disappointment to the looser riders.

The modern 2 strokes that KTM makes are nothing like that. Just ask bubs.

[tls25rs]

Why in fucks name do people not keep or get the title on a $8000 motorcycle?!

Because for some people they buy the bikes for off road use only. Also in MA it can sometimes be difficult to title certain motorcycles. Admittedly KTMs typically do not have that issue as the certificate of origin does not typically say "for off road use only" like most of the other manufacturers do.

That being said why they don't have the C.O. or something that proves their ownership of the vehicle is a little odd.

[number9]

Why in fucks name do people not keep or get the title on a $8000 motorcycle?!

Have you met most people from Craigslist?

[nhbubba]

The modern 2 strokes that KTM makes are nothing like that. Just ask bubs.

I meant to reply to that. Totally true. I did not really understand that until I read a couple. The modern 2-stroke enduros can be setup anywhere from mild to wild.
I run my 200 dialed a bit more towards to the wild side on the ice, bit more mild in the woods.

Because for some people they buy the bikes for off road use only. Also in MA it can sometimes be difficult to title certain motorcycles. Admittedly KTMs typically do not have that issue as the certificate of origin does not typically say "for off road use only" like most of the other manufacturers do.

Fine, a CO, whatever. Now that NH requires a title on anything MY2000 or newer this is now a problem for me too. I understand that you all have your sales tax too. But what a pain in the ass!

You don't need to register your bike, but at least title it.

/rant

[Jewcati]

Is a crf450 or wr450 too big?


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[Jewcati]

And...is a 125 2 stroke or 150 too small?


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[typeone]

yes and ... yes.

[nhbubba]

I'm prepared to argue about the 125 or 150 2-stroke being "too" small. But then this is NESR, so.

No question about the 450. I wouldn't woods or MX ride a 450 if you bought it and gave it to me.

[typeone]

Spoke to this guy, he will go 2250, but no title. Do you think that is a decent deal?

did he take off $250 for the smashed expansion chamber? it will still work fine but it's smashed in a weird area up high. no alarms, just interesting. bike looks really clean but do as Paul mentioned and ask about history and maintenance. 10 years is a long time for bearings, seals, etc. BUT, wear on the swingarm, frame, ignition and clutch cover look very minimal. good sign.

definitely recommend something like this 200 over any of the 4Ts mentioned in this thread, for you. even an XR250 is a pain in the ass in the woods. go modern 2T, you AND the bike will be happier bumping along, starting and stopping as you and your daughter learn. different story for your daughter, the small, mild, low seat height 4T bikes mentioned early on are all good choices for her. it's the big 4Ts that get cranky in the slow stuff and that can be discouraging.

[Kurlon]

If we get a good cold snap this winter that pipe can be fixed.

[typeone]

I'm prepared to argue about the 125 or 150 2-stroke being "too" small. But then this is NESR, so.

i'm a small bore guy i don't recommend it for his size. at 200lbs and 6', i don't see the point as a first off-roader. bigger motor will be better to learn on, more forgiving, easier to ride. go back to the 150 when you're settled in and want to wring somethings neck 80% of the time. they're super duper fun, but get your flow/attack down first.

[nhbubba]

Okay, maybe not that prepared.

[loudbeard]

No question about the 450. I wouldn't woods or MX ride a 450 if you bought it and gave it to me.

You should swing your leg over a 450 xc-w. Very usable. They stopped making them for 2017 with 350 and 500 exc-f only being offered, but it's an excellent bike for larger displacement humans.

That said, too much for a novice dirt rider.

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[nhbubba]

That's what Rada has. I've ridden it. Or maybe his is an EXC. Doesn't matter.
It whiskey throttles nicely. That I can confirm.

Killer dual-sport though. What my DRZ wants to be when it grows up.

[aldend123]

RE: Title for that KTM, can you title a bike in NH with a Bill of Sale and a previous registration? If so, plate it in VT, which will give you prior registration to use to get title in your state.

The modern 2 strokes that KTM makes are nothing like that. Just ask bubs.

I probably phrased it weird, but that's what I meant by 'Regardless of the actual engine'. Just trying to describe two types of riders using engine stereotypes to relate. Are there better terms to describe the two types of riders? Loose vs Steady?

[Kurlon]

What my DRZ wants to be when it grows up.

If your DRZ 'grows' any more you're going to have to get clearance from the Harbor Master every time you want to take it out...

[loudbeard]

That's what Rada has. I've ridden it. Or maybe his is an EXC. Doesn't matter.
It whiskey throttles nicely. That I can confirm.

Killer dual-sport though. What my DRZ wants to be when it grows up.

Sometimes you strike me as the type of guy who finds whoolies distasteful as a matter of their impracticality.

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