Cover your plate

[butcher bergs]

So lemme get this straight, there was actual contact of private property in order to retrieve a tag number?

I don't recall reading that anywhere except for obsolete's post. Is this true?

[Ninjajim]

Depends what state you're talkin about...age of consent is different for each state!

Thanks Matt!

[Ninjajim]

So lemme get this straight, there was actual contact of private property in order to retrieve a tag number?

I don't recall reading that anywhere except for obsolete's post. Is this true?

It is true they moved personal property to do their search.

[Mr. Kurtz]

I know people who have gotten them!

Do you mean "writing" tickets, for valid reasons, or "making" tickets for reasons that are invalid, or situations that don't exist?

[obsolete]

Seriously, If you are not guilty you have nothing to be afraid of.

Worst attitude ever. Sorry but just cause I'm not doing anything illegal does not make it ok for police officers to break the law.

Obviously confrontation is not the answer and that's why it was handled the way it was.

[ff36buell]

Doc, you are completely correct, which is why I ended up leaving instead of approaching them already being pissed off. It had been commented after the "sound tests" up here on the north shore of MA that most of the cops doing the tests have no clue what they are doing. Further more, they are not helping their cases in getting cooperation from us. If they had said, "hey guys, we are videotaping bikes in order to create a data base for our stolen vehicles unit" most of us would have JUMPED at letting them do that. Like fingerprinting for your bike. I wasn't as upset with WHAT they did as how they waited until we were all preoccupied with the chaps contest and then sneaked around the bikes lifting people's jackets up and manipulating people's $$$expensive$$$ gear in order to do so. Whose responsible if one of the Officers bumped a helmet on the ground ($725) and cracked it? are they going to say "hey my bad, I was violating your rights and broke your helmet, who do I make the check out to?" or is it going to be "too bad so sad?" THATS my concern, my shits important to me b/c it saves my head.... We all know what would happen if a regular joe was lifting up our gear to get a "better" look....

another case of "right concept A$$HOLE way of doing business"

[Ninjajim]

So lemme get this straight, there was actual contact of private property in order to retrieve a tag number?

I don't recall reading that anywhere except for obsolete's post. Is this true?

Yes they violated personal contact

[butcher bergs]

It is true they moved personal property to do their search.

Okay, that ain't right.


Does that mean now I can grab their firearm and click a few off just to be sure they're really officers? I mean, it's for informational purposes only.

[obsolete]

So lemme get this straight, there was actual contact of private property in order to retrieve a tag number?

I don't recall reading that anywhere except for obsolete's post. Is this true?

Yes, that is the problem. I don't like them going around videoing tags but it is not illegal, but more of a targeting issue. The main problem was the moving of a jacket to get the picture of the tag.

[Pittenger5]

They touched me inappropriately during the pat down.



The chaps chick I mean. It was fantastic.

[Ninjajim]

Doc, you are completely correct, which is why I ended up leaving instead of approaching them already being pissed off. It had been commented after the "sound tests" up here on the north shore of MA that most of the cops doing the tests have no clue what they are doing. Further more, they are not helping their cases in getting cooperation from us. If they had said, "hey guys, we are videotaping bikes in order to create a data base for our stolen vehicles unit" most of us would have JUMPED at letting them do that. Like fingerprinting for your bike. I wasn't as upset with WHAT they did as how they waited until we were all preoccupied with the chaps contest and then sneaked around the bikes lifting people's jackets up and manipulating people's $$$expensive$$$ gear in order to do so. Whose responsible if one of the Officers bumped a helmet on the ground ($725) and cracked it? are they going to say "hey my bad, I was violating your rights and broke your helmet, who do I make the check out to?" or is it going to be "too bad so sad?" THATS my concern, my shits important to me b/c it saves my head.... We all know what would happen if a regular joe was lifting up our gear to get a "better" look....

another case of "right concept A$$HOLE way of doing business"

They would never give you a check. How are you bulllshiting?

[MattyM]

Thanks Matt!

I add soooo much to this thread don't I?

[Doc]

just cause I'm not doing anything illegal does not make it ok for police officers to break the law.

Agreed... I don't think the attitude is the "worst ever".

"I am doing nothing wrong officer, my bike is not illegal. Let me move my jacket so that you may get a better look at my plate and not touch my personal property"...

So what law did they break and how can you enforce it?

If an officer was to come up to my bike and even look at it funny I would say "Excuse me officer is there a problem?" and "I would appreciate you not touching my property, Is there something I can do for you?"

What is he going to do? Continue touching my property? I have witnesses, I will take his name and badge number...

Does it even have to go that far?

[Sheppo]

Agreed... I don't think the attitude is the "worst ever".

"I am doing nothing wrong officer, my bike is not illegal. Let me move my jacket so that you may get a better look at my plate and not touch my personal property"...

So what law did they break and how can you enforce it?

If an officer was to come up to my bike and even look at it funny I would say "Excuse me officer is there a problem?" and "I would appreciate you not touching my property, Is there something I can do for you?"

What is he going to do? Continue touching my property? I have witnesses, I will take his name and badge number...

Does it even have to go that far?

it was done while we were not around. We do have witnesses and badge #'s

[Pittenger5]

I woulda gone 187 cept I was looking at tittys.

[butcher bergs]

The main problem was the moving of a jacket to get the picture of the tag.

Two simple solutions:

Everyone hang their gear a "certain" way.

OR

"Officer, with all due respect, unless you have my signature and/or authorization to search I suggest you keep your fucking hands to yourself."

[MattyM]

I woulda gone 187 cept I was looking at tittys.

"This is Bob...Bob has bitch tits"

Were you looking at Bob's titties?

[drop]

Yes, that is the problem. I don't like them going around videoing tags but it is not illegal, but more of a targeting issue. The main problem was the moving of a jacket to get the picture of the tag.

same feeling here.

jim, here's where you should be focusing your attention. while they may have a right to photograph in public, i really don't see how they can justify disturbing legally parked bikes or gear in the process.

you've now found the good fight. carry on.

[Doc]

Doc, you are completely correct, which is why I ended up leaving instead of approaching them already being pissed off. It had been commented after the "sound tests" up here on the north shore of MA that most of the cops doing the tests have no clue what they are doing. Further more, they are not helping their cases in getting cooperation from us. If they had said, "hey guys, we are videotaping bikes in order to create a data base for our stolen vehicles unit" most of us would have JUMPED at letting them do that. Like fingerprinting for your bike. I wasn't as upset with WHAT they did as how they waited until we were all preoccupied with the chaps contest and then sneaked around the bikes lifting people's jackets up and manipulating people's $$$expensive$$$ gear in order to do so. Whose responsible if one of the Officers bumped a helmet on the ground ($725) and cracked it? are they going to say "hey my bad, I was violating your rights and broke your helmet, who do I make the check out to?" or is it going to be "too bad so sad?" THATS my concern, my shits important to me b/c it saves my head.... We all know what would happen if a regular joe was lifting up our gear to get a "better" look....

another case of "right concept A$$HOLE way of doing business"

Ok so maybe a bunch of you responsible mature motorcyclists should ask for a meeting with the Chief and get the newspapers involved. Explain what you just said above. Maybe it won't change a damn thing, maybe it will. Worth a shot?

Breaking the stereotype would do wonders for the sport bike riders reputation.

I can see the concern about the moving of the gear. Hell I am pissed when some douchbag touches my shit.

[butcher bergs]

jim, here's where you should be focusing your attention. while they may have a right to photograph in public, i really don't see how they can justify disturbing legally parked bikes or gear in the process.

you've now found the good fight. carry on.

[Pittenger5]

"This is Bob...Bob has bitch tits"

Were you looking at Bob's titties?

No, I was looking at the chaps girls titties.

[Doc]

it was done while we were not around. We do have witnesses and badge #'s

Sneaky fuckers!!

[WordTooYoMamma]

Doc, you are completely correct, which is why I ended up leaving instead of approaching them already being pissed off. It had been commented after the "sound tests" up here on the north shore of MA that most of the cops doing the tests have no clue what they are doing. Further more, they are not helping their cases in getting cooperation from us. If they had said, "hey guys, we are videotaping bikes in order to create a data base for our stolen vehicles unit" most of us would have JUMPED at letting them do that. Like fingerprinting for your bike. I wasn't as upset with WHAT they did as how they waited until we were all preoccupied with the chaps contest and then sneaked around the bikes lifting people's jackets up and manipulating people's $$$expensive$$$ gear in order to do so. Whose responsible if one of the Officers bumped a helmet on the ground ($725) and cracked it? are they going to say "hey my bad, I was violating your rights and broke your helmet, who do I make the check out to?" or is it going to be "too bad so sad?" THATS my concern, my shits important to me b/c it saves my head.... We all know what would happen if a regular joe was lifting up our gear to get a "better" look....

another case of "right concept A$$HOLE way of doing business"

Shoulda walked up to him, took his gun out of the holster and taken a picture of the serial number.... Same shit to me....Just taking a picture of this in case someone steals your gun. I could be way off on this but came into my head first. Touching your shit is a no no.

[Ninjajim]

it was done while we were not around. We do have witnesses and badge #'s

I do I have them on cammera

[Doc]

I woulda gone 505 cept I was looking at tittys.

Fixed.