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    Crashing on a track day - Penguin 7/15 at Canaan

    Hey guys,

    So for my third track day and first this year I brought my new (4 days old to me) 09 ninja 250 (red, #27) to Canaan. I have done 2 days with fishtail and had to do one with penguin. I felt really comfortable on the little 250 compared to my 1200 and took my peg feelers off and was still scraping peg as I whizzed through corners; I am a B group track experience rider so not even comparable to anyone very good, but from what the coaches told me I have improved a lot on the things i struggled with before and have some new issues to work on. Got my BP nailed down pretty good, a coach behind me and a super fast guy said it was decent but i could pull my inside shoulder in more, a big improvement from, "your hanging waaaay too far off that thing." Locked in and light on my feet and i was flying. Got the speed up, now fix those early apexes, ok now I'm going too fast in the corners for most other people, time to set up some mid turn passes; follow em, find a weak turn for them set your line up and pin it while they miss their apex, ect. It was one hell of a fun day.

    Obviously what I'm slowly getting to here is, on a successful track day you should improve on a lot of different things and maybe be getting a little faster. I pushed myself hard yesterday and had an amazing time, but am I ruining other peoples day with a little spill? I do not want people to think I am reckless and feel unsafe with me out there, but i had a pretty open field in front of me and wanted to really ride hard. Well, I did but the whole new level of speed brought back the early apexes, and of course that meas gas on bike down and I dumped it. No one was hurt, I just slid through the turn on my butt through turn 2 and there was a pretty good gap between me and the fast guy behind me, I think he saw it coming thankfully. My bike only broke off a foot peg and brake lever which i was gonna replace with rear sets anyway, and I only missed out on 1 more session.

    I think that that was probably my biggest break through day in my 3 years and ~60K miles of street/TD riding, but should I return to a penguin track day session with that attitude or just go get my racing license or something? I think that my attitude wouldn't be appropriate at fishtail, but this is a a more sport oriented group than fishtail, who also does an amazing job. If I felt like I made a questionable maneuver I would go and talk to the rider in the pits and make sure it seemed OK from their perspective and everyone was super nice and said they felt like I was safe, but obviously they may not say anything to me before we go back out there together again. I was absolutely not trying to pass like, keep up with, or act like a racer but I do think I want to put the effort in to be that experienced and capable. I do not want to race competitively right now I just really love riding bikes. Thought or opinions? Would you feel safe with me out there?

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    Re: Crashing on a track day - Penguin 7/15 at Canaan

    It can be hard to go slow, but if you can't control your bike at a faster speed, then you should slow down. That's one of the frustrating things about doing a follow the leader. At the slower speeds, the line doesn't make sense sometimes and feels weird, but it will work at gower speeds.

    Lots of times, new riders do great when they are following someone and then as soon as they are riding on their own, the line gets messed up fast.

    Crashing is s part of riding on the track, but you shouldn't be riding to your limit all the time, especially in a beginner group. If you crash, try and dissect it to see why. If it's because you were riding over your ability (as you pointed out) then you should dial it back and not rush things.

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    Re: Crashing on a track day - Penguin 7/15 at Canaan

    On a side note, it can be frustrating as shit riding a low powered bike on the track with middleweights or liter bikes because they go slower in the corners and then power down the straights. So I feel you.

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    Re: Crashing on a track day - Penguin 7/15 at Canaan

    If the guys running the program don't have a problem with how you are riding, neither should you.

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    Re: Crashing on a track day - Penguin 7/15 at Canaan

    I fell recently in the 3:00 session outlap. Consciously added a bit more lean and low sided. Wasn't riding over my head just too much lean early on and didn't come close to anyone else out there. Nonetheless the session was red flagged so I made the rounds and apologized to everyone in blue group for killing the session. Just felt guilty to ruin a session especially on the out lap

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    Re: Crashing on a track day - Penguin 7/15 at Canaan

    IMO, you didn't ruin anyone's day, not even that particular session, so don't feel bad. I was the blue SV pitted next to you, and it just meant that I took it easy on turn 3 for a few laps of that session while they were getting your bike off the grass. We had another spill in our group on that same turn earlier and I don't think it adversely affected anyone enough to cause annoyance lasting beyond a lap or two.

    It's subjective, but if you have multiple crashes over a weekend, or under similar circumstances, then it might be time to re-evaluate your approach and moderate how hard you're pushing to improve or pass. Sometimes, if you want a clear track and just can't seem to get by someone going slower in the corners, it's better to pit-in and go right back out. If you catch up to that person again before the end of the session, then maybe you (or they) are in the wrong group. I'd be there are plenty of those in the racer group who have taken a couple spills over their trackday career.

    Do you know exactly what caused the crash? Did the rear slide out or the front wash? Have you done any other modifications aside from removing the peg feelers?

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    Re: Crashing on a track day - Penguin 7/15 at Canaan

    thanks for posting, glad to hear from someone who was there. I just charged the turn after a little incident with someone pitting in and taking the race line. I had to take 1 pretty hard to avoid an incident and then tried to keep that pace up. When I realized how fast I was coming into 3 I had the brakes on pretty hard and charged right into it, I did trail brake it over but once it was over and the brakes were off with the pegs folded I was still pointed off track so i mistakenly added lean and punched it. I may have slid it out or wrenched the rear tire off the ground with the brake lever but either way it wasn't very smooth or well executed. It was a good opportunity to see what happens when you do ride at your limits. I probably should have just slowed down and taken it easy instead of riding on adrenaline. After looking at my tire I think i will take Eric's advice and get some race slicks and rear sets. While loss of grip wasn't what cause the incident, there is very concerning wear on the outside 4mm of the tire where it is clearly not soft enough to be providing adequate grip, and the tread all the way to the sides is tearing and obviously not helping. A little more clearance and some more grip should let me get the turns I'm looking for, its not very confidence inspiring when the pegs are folded up. Re jet kit and an air filter should get me a little extra drive for some easier passing and less frustration.

    I'm glad we have so many organizations and good riders around here, riding would not be the same without it. Hopefully ill have 10-20lbs off that little bike and some extra clearance to come back in August and get a little bit better without crashing this time.

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    Re: Crashing on a track day - Penguin 7/15 at Canaan

    You were looking good out there. I think you passed me (yellow 2006 ninja 250) almost every session and none of them stood out as overly aggressive or close to me. I thought you were on a bigger bike with how quickly you passed me on some of the straights.
    Your crash did not bother me at all. It was nice to have an excuse for being so slow in that corner for a few laps.
    I can PM you a Google Drive link to my video from the 3PM session if you want to see it. We were just coming through turn 1 when you fell so you can't see much detail of the crash. The camera was mounted on my father's blue ninja 250 behind me.

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    Re: Crashing on a track day - Penguin 7/15 at Canaan

    Quote Originally Posted by k1200s View Post
    After looking at my tire I think i will take Eric's advice and get some race slicks and rear sets. While loss of grip wasn't what cause the incident, there is very concerning wear on the outside 4mm of the tire where it is clearly not soft enough to be providing adequate grip, and the tread all the way to the sides is tearing and obviously not helping. A little more clearance and some more grip should let me get the turns I'm looking for, its not very confidence inspiring when the pegs are folded up. Re jet kit and an air filter should get me a little extra drive for some easier passing and less frustration.
    Which tires were you running? Since you just got the bike, do you know how old the tires are? Back when I had an EX250, the Pirelli Sport Demons were the street/track rubber of choice. Not sure what people opt for now, but I bet there are plenty of choices with all of the small displacement racing in recent years.

    Rearsets also sound like the next logical step to accommodate the additional grip. I spooked myself a couple times by my boot scraping before my knee, so I asked Steve to spot me for a lap and see if I'm doing something wrong with body position. His recommendation was to get rearsets and move them up and backward, so that will be my next project. Time for some research to that end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RDaytona400 View Post
    You were looking good out there. I think you passed me (yellow 2006 ninja 250) almost every session and none of them stood out as overly aggressive or close to me. I thought you were on a bigger bike with how quickly you passed me on some of the straights.
    Your crash did not bother me at all. It was nice to have an excuse for being so slow in that corner for a few laps.
    I can PM you a Google Drive link to my video from the 3PM session if you want to see it. We were just coming through turn 1 when you fell so you can't see much detail of the crash. The camera was mounted on my father's blue ninja 250 behind me.
    Yeah actually I would love to see it on video. You guys were hauling out there, I had an awesome time chasing you guys. Just stripped everything that doesn't make it roll, about 20 lbs, and the woodcraft rear sets are on the way. I had brand new (150 miles of riding before the track) battleaxes BT45's but I will need to contact the tire guy and get my hands on some slicks next session I think. Sport Demons are my fall back but I would rather just go with full on race rubber since it is no longer street legal. The rubber is actually lower on my list because I would like to be able to get a little squirm before I add tons of grip. I figure if I can practice with a little squirm now, then I throw my re jet and race rubber on I should be ready to make more use of the new power. Pretty blown away by the difference the weight reduction made as well. There is unbelievably more response and it actually power wheelies. 50/50 on trying to optimize the carb mixture before the next day but definitely still a little hesitation in the motor. These 250's are way too underrated.

    Slicks and warmers still need to be worn in i'm assuming? Would you guys scrub them in the day of or try and pick them up before the TD?

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    Re: Crashing on a track day - Penguin 7/15 at Canaan

    And i totally have to bring my unicycle to get around next time, its pretty much made to be a pit bike. Felt like a fool walking around in leathers all day. I could be the really safe unicyclist instead.

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    Re: Crashing on a track day - Penguin 7/15 at Canaan

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    Re: Crashing on a track day - Penguin 7/15 at Canaan

    Three track days & we're talking about buying slicks & warmers?

    You probably already know this, but the crash had nothing (or at least very little) to do with your equipment. I've been racing over a decade & I don't even bother w/ slicks & warmers at a track day.

    You're over thinking this. Don't think. Just ride. Relax. Breath. Have fun. Nothing more, nothing less. Namaste, muthafuckas!

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    Re: Crashing on a track day - Penguin 7/15 at Canaan

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    Three track days & you're already talking about buying slicks & warmers?

    You probably already know this, but the crash had nothing to do with your equipment. I've been racing over a decade & I don't even bother w/ slicks & warmers at a track day.

    You're over thinking this. Don't think. Just ride. Relax. Breath. Have fun. Nothing more, nothing less. Namaste, muthafuckas!
    That's how I felt, but Eric Wood was pretty adamant about me getting some slicks. Would you think that I am only too inexperienced to benefit from slicks or you actually don't think they are worth using at a track day? I do not race and don't intend to, so our expectations of where we want to be at our track days is going to be very different; your out there taking it easy, I'm pushing my limits on one of my few days a year. I probably will take Eric's advice, especially considering how much I just paid to get it, but I am curious about what are some of the draw backs to putting slicks on. Do you just think 3 days is too little experience to benefit from extra grip? Also remember this is a 250 and the slicks will likely expire before I wear them out if i'm only going ~3-5 times a year. With warmers 1 track day is 1 CD/WU period for the tires correct? so they could very easily last me a year for only a couple hundred bucks, not really much different than DOT, which I have torn to shit and will not last 5 days.

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    That's how I felt, but Eric Wood was pretty adamant about me getting some slicks. Would you think that I am only too inexperienced to benefit from slicks or you actually don't think they are worth using at a track day? I do not race and don't intend to, so our expectations of where we want to be at our track days is going to be very different; your out there taking it easy, I'm pushing my limits on one of my few days a year. I probably will take Eric's advice, especially considering how much I just paid to get it, but I am curious about what are some of the draw backs to putting slicks on. Do you just think 3 days is too little experience to benefit from extra grip? Also remember this is a 250 and the slicks will likely expire before I wear them out if i'm only going ~3-5 times a year. With warmers 1 track day is 1 CD/WU period for the tires correct? so they could very easily last me a year for only a couple hundred bucks, not really much different than DOT, which I have torn to shit and will not last 5 days.
    You might be better off buying some race take offs from one of us. Save half the price and they'll last you for a few track days

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    Re: Crashing on a track day - Penguin 7/15 at Canaan

    I'm with Oreo on this one. It's easy to start over analyzing in between trips to the track, simply because it's fun to think about how to improve on something you're passionate about. Carefully push your own limits to keep improving and you'll keep finding more and more speed. There's a million factors at play and you'll keep refining each and every one of them as time goes on. While things like slicks, warmers, all the go-fast parts, etc are certainly beneficial and add to the "bling" factor... the #1 thing you can improve (by a large factor) is the piece that connects the seat to the handlebars.

    I don't know much about running a 250 on the track, but I personally only ran slicks a couple times in all the years I raced middle weight. Warmers are awesome, but really only make a difference in your first lap or two out there which is important when racing but at a track day.... eh. Personal preference I suppose in that regard.

    After riding together on the street a few times, you're a good rider man. Just get as many laps in as you can, and pick the brain of everyone possible to keep gaining knowledge. The speed, technique, etc will all come with experience.

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    Hey all, I just found this thread and think that I should clarify as I was obviously misunderstood a bit. I remember looking at the bike and noting that you had some very middle of the road street tires on there. If I wasn't clear I apologize, but I was not recommending slicks - I was recommending a stickier tire. I guess I made it sound really important. We have had great luck with the Dunlops, but there are a number of track day tires available that are far better than the pure street tires that you had. On your bike a set of tires lasts a long time, so making the investment on the best set of tires you can will last you a long time. Unfortunately the middle of the road street tires for the small 250/300 are not very good, which is why I made you the strong recommendation to upgrade. Tires do make a world of difference - more than most anything else you can do for your bike.

    So in short, you don't need slicks and warmers, but getting a track oriented tire as opposed to a street tire is definitely a great investment. Warmers are definitely nice, but you only need them if you go with full race rubber. Track day tires (like the Dunlop Q3) have fantastic grip and do not need a warmer to work. I hope this helps!

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    Re: Crashing on a track day - Penguin 7/15 at Canaan

    Thanks Ryan, glad to have you as a resource. So slicks are'nt super important, but I guess I'm still wondering about the tire profile. I am a little worried I added too much clearance for the tire, but ill lean it over today and see if it slides right off the edge. I'll give it another session with the BT45's but I cant wait to get those rear sets at least, the pegs on this thing are terrible and one is destroyed now anyway. Message me your number, my last phone died on me so i don't have any contacts. I'll trade you coaching/consulting for laps if you ever wanna come and take the 250 around (you can always ride it) and I've still got the K bike for the streets

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    Re: Crashing on a track day - Penguin 7/15 at Canaan

    Quote Originally Posted by Woodcraft View Post
    Hey all, I just found this thread and think that I should clarify as I was obviously misunderstood a bit. I remember looking at the bike and noting that you had some very middle of the road street tires on there. If I wasn't clear I apologize, but I was not recommending slicks - I was recommending a stickier tire. I guess I made it sound really important. We have had great luck with the Dunlops, but there are a number of track day tires available that are far better than the pure street tires that you had. On your bike a set of tires lasts a long time, so making the investment on the best set of tires you can will last you a long time. Unfortunately the middle of the road street tires for the small 250/300 are not very good, which is why I made you the strong recommendation to upgrade. Tires do make a world of difference - more than most anything else you can do for your bike.

    So in short, you don't need slicks and warmers, but getting a track oriented tire as opposed to a street tire is definitely a great investment. Warmers are definitely nice, but you only need them if you go with full race rubber. Track day tires (like the Dunlop Q3) have fantastic grip and do not need a warmer to work. I hope this helps!
    I didn't want to put words in your mouth Eric, but I was going to suggest that was what you meant to get across.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodcraft View Post
    Hey all, I just found this thread and think that I should clarify as I was obviously misunderstood a bit. I remember looking at the bike and noting that you had some very middle of the road street tires on there. If I wasn't clear I apologize, but I was not recommending slicks - I was recommending a stickier tire. I guess I made it sound really important. We have had great luck with the Dunlops, but there are a number of track day tires available that are far better than the pure street tires that you had. On your bike a set of tires lasts a long time, so making the investment on the best set of tires you can will last you a long time. Unfortunately the middle of the road street tires for the small 250/300 are not very good, which is why I made you the strong recommendation to upgrade. Tires do make a world of difference - more than most anything else you can do for your bike.

    So in short, you don't need slicks and warmers, but getting a track oriented tire as opposed to a street tire is definitely a great investment. Warmers are definitely nice, but you only need them if you go with full race rubber. Track day tires (like the Dunlop Q3) have fantastic grip and do not need a warmer to work. I hope this helps!
    Definitely didn't mean to drop names and put you on blast, but I wanted to make sure everyone knew the advice was coming from a top notch instructor. Thank you very much for clarifying, hearing about tires after a crash it was easy to think to go full nuclear and get the most sticky option available. Ill get some Q3's and try those out next time.

    Even with my first crash that was the best track day I have ever had and cant wait to come back again, thanks for giving me the advice and the clarification.

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    Re: Crashing on a track day - Penguin 7/15 at Canaan

    No worries at all. I should clarify that we use the Alpha 13 rear tires for these bikes as there is no Q3 rear tire in the size for your bike. As for the front, you can go with the Alpha 13 or Q3 - they both work well.

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    Well I was at the SAME track day and riding group, in the 4th session I tucked the front-end going into turn 10. It was a panic grab of the front brake as the guy in front of me started to drift wide and I was looking to pass him. The good thing was that I walked away with a small bang and bump and the bike with some scraps. I was able to get back to the pits and fix the bike and run the last two sessions. The best part was the practice of lying down in the track, let riders go by and wait for the corner worker to give me the clear to crawl off the track. It was my first crash on the track.

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    Re: Crashing on a track day - Penguin 7/15 at Canaan

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    That's how I felt, but Eric Wood was pretty adamant about me getting some slicks. Would you think that I am only too inexperienced to benefit from slicks or you actually don't think they are worth using at a track day? I do not race and don't intend to, so our expectations of where we want to be at our track days is going to be very different; your out there taking it easy, I'm pushing my limits on one of my few days a year. I probably will take Eric's advice, especially considering how much I just paid to get it, but I am curious about what are some of the draw backs to putting slicks on. Do you just think 3 days is too little experience to benefit from extra grip? Also remember this is a 250 and the slicks will likely expire before I wear them out if i'm only going ~3-5 times a year. With warmers 1 track day is 1 CD/WU period for the tires correct? so they could very easily last me a year for only a couple hundred bucks, not really much different than DOT, which I have torn to shit and will not last 5 days.
    While I will NEVER ignore the obvious benefits of more grip, I don't think that was the root cause of your crash. Going to slicks & warmers just means you'll be going that much faster while making the same mistakes. Depending on what you're running, a stickier tire may very well be beneficial, but I don't think slicks & warmers is the proper course of action.

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    Hey all, I just found this thread and think that I should clarify as I was obviously misunderstood a bit. I remember looking at the bike and noting that you had some very middle of the road street tires on there. If I wasn't clear I apologize, but I was not recommending slicks - I was recommending a stickier tire.
    Yeahhhhh, now that sounds a lot more like the Eric we all know & love.

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    Re: Crashing on a track day - Penguin 7/15 at Canaan

    While I have the attention of all you you amazingly experienced and helpful people, can anyone recommend a good way to analyze your own mistakes? what do you guys do? lap times, go pro, a coach, or just more seat time?

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    While I don't advocate crashing until you run out of money, it's worked for me. Seriosly though, while I'm no expert, seat time on the track without pushing 10/10ths will make huge inroads. Get to where you can breathe, and think about what you're doing while riding, and get some basic skills into muscle memory.

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