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it's just a subtle change.... and your outside arm is still bent.
Frankly, I think your form looks 10 times better than it did in seasons past where you were trying to hump the side of your bike
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Yea we didn't see what he did.... from the pic I don't see how you could really have "too much" lean angle with your body position. Looks pretty good to me. But again, thats an opinion based on one shot from one corner from one angle.
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You know - no one has answered why:
We think adding pressure to the tank with the outside leg via body position will reduce lean angle
but
When we talk about tightening a line mid corner we think that adding the same kind of pressure will add lean angle
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I can't really follow you. When did someone say pressing in on the tank would reduce lean angle. This thread is based on lots of second hand info and/or interpretation. Not a great platform for learning. Is your point that some coaches contradicted each other? Because that will happen. The context of the conversation is missing.
Thanks for the great question, Paul. Too bad I have no idea what the right answer is.
My experience is that when your body is close to the bike it moves in a way that is more similar to the bike’s motion even if your arms, legs and hands are relaxed.
Visualize a slinky (or soft spring) standing vertically on a motorcycle seat and riding around the race track.
Now visualize a slinky horizontal on a motorcycle seat driving around the racetrack.
Do you see what I mean?
So based on this my guess is the guy on the left…but honestly…the guy on the right looks more relaxed.
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After rereading your post I think that you have a bunch of ideas confused with each other.
The idea of counter balancing as it applies to riding would be leaning off. You lean into the turn in order to move the CG of the rider/bike mass inwards and in effect, reduce the amount of bike lean angle.
Where you are getting confused is the idea of putting force into the tank. In this case, you are not counter balancing but forcing the bike to lean more. Think of how you can turn the bike slightly with just body english when you are riding without hands. I am guessing that this technique was mentioned as a way to make mid-corner adjustments? This is not counterbalancing by definition. Maybe someone mucked up the terms and it was confusing you.
Anyone?
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It should not matter which SOLID part of the bike is used to anchor yourself in order to achieve a certain lean angle. What is important is that the combined center of gravity is moved to the appropriate position to be in balance with forces present at the given state (speed, angle, radius of turn, phase of the moon, etc)
If laying down on the tank can achieve the same combined C of G as duct-tapping your ass to the seat, then the lean angle should be the same as well, given all other parameters are the same. (If you want to get picky, the significance of the role of the aerodynamic differences will depending on the situation...)
Now, I don't consider the bars as a solid anchor point in this discussion for obvious reasons...
So, then, what would pushing down on the tank with your knee accomplish?
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helps lean the bike over more w/o more pressure on the bars..... Like I explained in the classroom Please remember.... Even though we have to obey the laws of physics, this is still just as much of an ART form as it is a science.
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Oh! and...
...does lean angle (position of the mass) efect where CoG is located?
and....
...does centrifugal force act from the center of mass the same way gravity does?
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Pete, your right about the art and science of the thing. If it was an understanding of natural law that made you go fast...just plop any physicist on a bike and he'd be flying!
Still, without reasons, how do we know what to do and what not to do?
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Maybe I need one thread for nerds and one for normals.
You get great information from both kinds, but they arnt always compatible
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i think that youre trying too hard to get your knee down. stop. start over. and get back to basics. start with head/ shoulder position. then as you get faster you can incorporate a little ass movement. first 1/4 of an ass cheek then a 1/2 and so on, all while maintaining head and shoulder position. you dont necessarily have to be laying on the tank to have your head in the right place.
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