Welcome to NESR! Most features of this site require registration, including replying to threads, sending private messages, starting new threads, and uploading files. Click here to register.

View Poll Results: Do you use frame sliders at the track?

Voters
34. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes

    31 91.18%
  • No

    3 8.82%
  • Sometimes

    0 0%
Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 26 to 50 of 60

Do you use frame sliders at the track?

  1. #26
    Your Father csmutty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Pomfret Center, CT
    Age
    29
    Posts
    10,953

    Re: Do you use frame sliders at the track?


    Quote Originally Posted by tls25rs View Post
    Do the R6s still have issues with the tanks becoming a problem if the tank sliders are not used?
    They fixed it in 08. 06-07 you still need the sliders. I had the carbon fiber and kevlar ones. They worked awesome. Can't remember who made them off the top of my head.

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    -Christian LRRS/CCS HasBeen ECK Racing
    2011 Pit Bike Race CHAMPION!

  2. #27
    Lifer isaac_'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Central CT
    Posts
    1,082

    Re: Do you use frame sliders at the track?

    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    He means running only case savers instead of running case savers and frame sliders I think?
    Yes that was my question


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    Isaac LRRS/CCS #871 ECK Racing | Spears Enterprises | GMD Computrack Boston | Pine Motorparts/PBE Specialists | Woodcraft | Street & Competition | MTag-Pirelli | OnTrack Media
    Bike: SV650, Bride of Frankenstein

  3. #28
    Lifer union's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Blackstone, MA
    Age
    41
    Posts
    4,567

    Re: Do you use frame sliders at the track?

    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    They fixed it in 08. 06-07 you still need the sliders. I had the carbon fiber and kevlar ones. They worked awesome. Can't remember who made them off the top of my head.
    I believe it was eti. I had a set. They were outstanding.

    1 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    James
    12 KTM SMR 450
    07 CRF 250R
    LRRS/CCS #79
    NEMM #79

    GMD Computrack
    Diamondback Designs
    Robs Dyno

  4. #29
    Your Father csmutty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Pomfret Center, CT
    Age
    29
    Posts
    10,953

    Re: Do you use frame sliders at the track?

    Quote Originally Posted by union View Post
    I believe it was eti. I had a set. They were outstanding.
    Yes that is them. Expensive, but they worked extremely well. I think they were called fuel cel.

    FuelCel Yamaha R6 Tank Guards

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    -Christian LRRS/CCS HasBeen ECK Racing
    2011 Pit Bike Race CHAMPION!

  5. #30
    Soul Rider Paul_E_D's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Location
    western, MA
    Age
    50
    Posts
    14,453

    Re: Do you use frame sliders at the track?

    Wow, those are pricey. I think I will go with R&G

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    Paul_E_D


  6. #31
    Your Father csmutty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Pomfret Center, CT
    Age
    29
    Posts
    10,953

    Re: Do you use frame sliders at the track?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_E_D View Post
    Wow, those are pricey. I think I will go with R&G
    Hopefully you won't have to test them, but if you do I'd be interested to see how they perform.

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    -Christian LRRS/CCS HasBeen ECK Racing
    2011 Pit Bike Race CHAMPION!

  7. #32
    Soul Rider Paul_E_D's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Location
    western, MA
    Age
    50
    Posts
    14,453

    Re: Do you use frame sliders at the track?

    They are kevlar/carbon as well, just cover a smaller area. Those ETI cover more than half the tank!

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    Paul_E_D


  8. #33
    WMC original sdog30's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Burgy
    Age
    45
    Posts
    2,879

    Re: Do you use frame sliders at the track?

    Moto D makes some carbon and Kevlar ones that are like $100.

    Probably worth getting even though the tanks don't explode anymore. Even with frame sliders, I would end up with a dented tank, broken windshield, broken clip on bar and rashed plastics. No way around it with an r6.

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!

    14 Triumph Street Triple R, 15 KX450F sumo, 15 Husky 250SXF tard, 14 KTM 250SXF and Cole's Grom
    LRRS/CCS #66
    Thank you to my sponsors: Sidi / AMSOIL / Klutch Industries

  9. #34
    Soul Rider Paul_E_D's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Location
    western, MA
    Age
    50
    Posts
    14,453

    Re: Do you use frame sliders at the track?

    Quote Originally Posted by sdog30 View Post
    Moto D makes some carbon and Kevlar ones that are like $100.

    Probably worth getting even though the tanks don't explode anymore. Even with frame sliders, I would end up with a dented tank, broken windshield, broken clip on bar and rashed plastics. No way around it with an r6.
    I'll try to stay up

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    Paul_E_D


  10. #35
    Your Father csmutty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Pomfret Center, CT
    Age
    29
    Posts
    10,953

    Re: Do you use frame sliders at the track?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_E_D View Post
    They are kevlar/carbon as well, just cover a smaller area. Those ETI cover more than half the tank!
    I mean bolt on versus stick on. I just didn't trust it.

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    -Christian LRRS/CCS HasBeen ECK Racing
    2011 Pit Bike Race CHAMPION!

  11. #36
    Lifer union's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Blackstone, MA
    Age
    41
    Posts
    4,567

    Re: Do you use frame sliders at the track?

    Heres my quick experience with the R6 tank. Mine was an 07 so it had the wide tank. I started with a set of traxxion stick on sliders. They lasted one crash. It was a pretty hard one. I highsided off of 4. When the bike came down it pushed the slider into the take and then ripped it off. When I finally stopped I looked down track to see fuel pouring out of the tank. Luckily nothing caught fire.

    The ETI sliders lasted the rest of the bikes racing career with me and then two other people. I was not easy on the bike and neither was anyone else that rode it. They were also repairable which was a nice touch. They also blended well into the bike when painted.



    Now back on topic. I did and would use woodcraft sliders on my bikes again.

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    James
    12 KTM SMR 450
    07 CRF 250R
    LRRS/CCS #79
    NEMM #79

    GMD Computrack
    Diamondback Designs
    Robs Dyno

  12. #37
    go faster cdovego's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Weymouth
    Age
    40
    Posts
    2,159

    Re: Do you use frame sliders at the track?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_E_D View Post
    Wow, those are pricey. I think I will go with R&G
    I have carbon R&G on mine, have not tested them yet.

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    Central Mass Powersports #123

    1000rr, zx10r, rmz450, RE classic, r6, S4Rs, xr123, sv650(2), cr250 and a box truck that leaks power steering fluid.

  13. #38
    WMC original sdog30's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Burgy
    Age
    45
    Posts
    2,879

    Re: Do you use frame sliders at the track?

    I should note that I too use woodcraft frame sliders.

    Replacement pucks are cheap and easy to replace. The profile doesn't stick out too far like some of the other ones I've seen. And they bolt to the engine mounts. If you go with the kind that have a relocation bracket, they are guaranteed to snap off in a crash.

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!

    14 Triumph Street Triple R, 15 KX450F sumo, 15 Husky 250SXF tard, 14 KTM 250SXF and Cole's Grom
    LRRS/CCS #66
    Thank you to my sponsors: Sidi / AMSOIL / Klutch Industries

  14. #39
    Awesomeness, Inc. MattR302's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    New Haven-ish, CT
    Age
    36
    Posts
    1,033

    Re: Do you use frame sliders at the track?

    Quote Originally Posted by sdog30 View Post
    I should note that I too use woodcraft frame sliders.

    Replacement pucks are cheap and easy to replace. The profile doesn't stick out too far like some of the other ones I've seen. And they bolt to the engine mounts. If you go with the kind that have a relocation bracket, they are guaranteed to snap off in a crash.
    Any reason why you didn't use them on your old F4i? It's sitting in my garage and I have a set of woodcrafts waiting to go on.

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    -Matt

  15. #40
    go faster cdovego's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Weymouth
    Age
    40
    Posts
    2,159

    Re: Do you use frame sliders at the track?

    2 similar (no crash is the same) examples for wide inline 4 bikes.



    (example 1 - no frame sliders) T1 - I lowsided at the orange box 2 seasons ago at full pace. My gsxr600 slid on its side, hit the infield (caught 6 inches of air when transitioning from asphalt to grass) and kept sliding on the same side. Minimal scrapes to bodywork, raced next race.

    (example 1 - with frame sliders) T1 - I was 2 bike lengths behind #897, watched his front tuck just after the orange box. His r1 slid on the asphalt then cartwheeled itself into a yard sale when it transitioned from the asphalt to the grass. $1,000+ in damage and I do not believe the bike raced again that round.


    (example 2 - no frame sliders) T11 - I was 2ft off the rear wheel of #236 going through t11. His front tucked and then mine did the same. Bikes and riders both slid same speed and trajectory. My r6 slid on its left side, hit the curb (hopped a few inches up) and continued to slide on its left side in the grass till it stopped. Minimal scrapes to bodywork and a small ding in the tank. Straightened forks for good measure and made the next race.

    (example 2 - with frame sliders) T11 - #236 lowsided and the bike slid on its side until making contact with the curb. The bike then cartwheeled itself and tumbled through the air launching ecu, power commander, etc. Significant damage to the bike and I do not believe it raced again that weekend.



    I started this out by saying no 2 crashes are the same and repeat it again. The t11 incident was as close to being the same variables as I can ever remember seeing or being involved in. The bike without sliders came out relatively unscathed. The bike with sliders was a lot worse off. I do believe the sliders caused it to tumble when they made contact with the curb.

    Once upon a time in CA where track edge typically meets sand (desert) I was told you're crazy if you run normal sliders. I was told to grind them down to behind the fairings. I took them off and have never looked back.

    I do standard sliders on a street bike make a lot of sense. I do believe "short" sliders on a race bike can make sense. It's all a roll of the dice in my head.

    This is all with regards to inline 4 bikes and is in no way a solid stance. Just what I've seen and experienced. I hope you find this helpful.

    1 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    Central Mass Powersports #123

    1000rr, zx10r, rmz450, RE classic, r6, S4Rs, xr123, sv650(2), cr250 and a box truck that leaks power steering fluid.

  16. #41
    WMC original sdog30's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Burgy
    Age
    45
    Posts
    2,879

    Re: Do you use frame sliders at the track?

    Quote Originally Posted by MattR302 View Post
    Any reason why you didn't use them on your old F4i? It's sitting in my garage and I have a set of woodcrafts waiting to go on.
    It was set up when I bought it as a race bike. I don't remember why I didn't have them on. My street r1 that I had at the time had woodcrafts and I put them on my 05 r6 that I replaced the cbr with. Maybe they weren't available for that model?

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!

    14 Triumph Street Triple R, 15 KX450F sumo, 15 Husky 250SXF tard, 14 KTM 250SXF and Cole's Grom
    LRRS/CCS #66
    Thank you to my sponsors: Sidi / AMSOIL / Klutch Industries

  17. #42
    WMC original sdog30's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Burgy
    Age
    45
    Posts
    2,879

    Re: Do you use frame sliders at the track?

    Quote Originally Posted by cdovego View Post
    2 similar (no crash is the same) examples for wide inline 4 bikes.



    (example 1 - no frame sliders) T1 - I lowsided at the orange box 2 seasons ago at full pace. My gsxr600 slid on its side, hit the infield (caught 6 inches of air when transitioning from asphalt to grass) and kept sliding on the same side. Minimal scrapes to bodywork, raced next race.

    (example 1 - with frame sliders) T1 - I was 2 bike lengths behind #897, watched his front tuck just after the orange box. His r1 slid on the asphalt then cartwheeled itself into a yard sale when it transitioned from the asphalt to the grass. $1,000+ in damage and I do not believe the bike raced again that round.


    (example 2 - no frame sliders) T11 - I was 2ft off the rear wheel of #236 going through t11. His front tucked and then mine did the same. Bikes and riders both slid same speed and trajectory. My r6 slid on its left side, hit the curb (hopped a few inches up) and continued to slide on its left side in the grass till it stopped. Minimal scrapes to bodywork and a small ding in the tank. Straightened forks for good measure and made the next race.

    (example 2 - with frame sliders) T11 - #236 lowsided and the bike slid on its side until making contact with the curb. The bike then cartwheeled itself and tumbled through the air launching ecu, power commander, etc. Significant damage to the bike and I do not believe it raced again that weekend.



    I started this out by saying no 2 crashes are the same and repeat it again. The t11 incident was as close to being the same variables as I can ever remember seeing or being involved in. The bike without sliders came out relatively unscathed. The bike with sliders was a lot worse off. I do believe the sliders caused it to tumble when they made contact with the curb.

    Once upon a time in CA where track edge typically meets sand (desert) I was told you're crazy if you run normal sliders. I was told to grind them down to behind the fairings. I took them off and have never looked back.

    I do standard sliders on a street bike make a lot of sense. I do believe "short" sliders on a race bike can make sense. It's all a roll of the dice in my head.

    This is all with regards to inline 4 bikes and is in no way a solid stance. Just what I've seen and experienced. I hope you find this helpful.
    I have heard that about sliders. I did have my r6 slide off the track in jersey and ny without it catching the sliders and launching it. I know Eric was running an updated profile puck on his zx10, not sure if they are available on all models of bike or not.

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!

    14 Triumph Street Triple R, 15 KX450F sumo, 15 Husky 250SXF tard, 14 KTM 250SXF and Cole's Grom
    LRRS/CCS #66
    Thank you to my sponsors: Sidi / AMSOIL / Klutch Industries

  18. #43
    go faster cdovego's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Weymouth
    Age
    40
    Posts
    2,159

    Re: Do you use frame sliders at the track?

    Quote Originally Posted by sdog30 View Post
    I have heard that about sliders. I did have my r6 slide off the track in jersey and ny without it catching the sliders and launching it. I know Eric was running an updated profile puck on his zx10, not sure if they are available on all models of bike or not.
    I can see absolutely no downside to running sliders under your bodywork.

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    Central Mass Powersports #123

    1000rr, zx10r, rmz450, RE classic, r6, S4Rs, xr123, sv650(2), cr250 and a box truck that leaks power steering fluid.

  19. #44
    Back marker... jwm2k3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Salem, MA
    Age
    48
    Posts
    5,272

    Re: Do you use frame sliders at the track?

    Quote Originally Posted by cdovego View Post
    I can see absolutely no downside to running sliders under your bodywork.
    Thats what I run. Woodcraft underbody frame sliders. But then again I have a narrow V twin....

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    Johnny

    Its an Italian bike...Ive had (have?) a few

  20. #45
    Lifer Tekime's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2016
    Location
    Falmouth, ME
    Age
    41
    Posts
    1,336

    Re: Do you use frame sliders at the track?

    Quote Originally Posted by cdovego View Post
    2 similar (no crash is the same) examples for wide inline 4 bikes.

    (example 1 - no frame sliders) T1 - I lowsided at the orange box 2 seasons ago at full pace. My gsxr600 slid on its side, hit the infield (caught 6 inches of air when transitioning from asphalt to grass) and kept sliding on the same side. Minimal scrapes to bodywork, raced next race.

    (example 1 - with frame sliders) T1 - I was 2 bike lengths behind #897, watched his front tuck just after the orange box. His r1 slid on the asphalt then cartwheeled itself into a yard sale when it transitioned from the asphalt to the grass. $1,000+ in damage and I do not believe the bike raced again that round.


    (example 2 - no frame sliders) T11 - I was 2ft off the rear wheel of #236 going through t11. His front tucked and then mine did the same. Bikes and riders both slid same speed and trajectory. My r6 slid on its left side, hit the curb (hopped a few inches up) and continued to slide on its left side in the grass till it stopped. Minimal scrapes to bodywork and a small ding in the tank. Straightened forks for good measure and made the next race.

    (example 2 - with frame sliders) T11 - #236 lowsided and the bike slid on its side until making contact with the curb. The bike then cartwheeled itself and tumbled through the air launching ecu, power commander, etc. Significant damage to the bike and I do not believe it raced again that weekend.



    I started this out by saying no 2 crashes are the same and repeat it again. The t11 incident was as close to being the same variables as I can ever remember seeing or being involved in. The bike without sliders came out relatively unscathed. The bike with sliders was a lot worse off. I do believe the sliders caused it to tumble when they made contact with the curb.

    Once upon a time in CA where track edge typically meets sand (desert) I was told you're crazy if you run normal sliders. I was told to grind them down to behind the fairings. I took them off and have never looked back.

    I do standard sliders on a street bike make a lot of sense. I do believe "short" sliders on a race bike can make sense. It's all a roll of the dice in my head.

    This is all with regards to inline 4 bikes and is in no way a solid stance. Just what I've seen and experienced. I hope you find this helpful.
    Very helpful. More evidence "against" the sliders if we were to take it that way, hmm. I repeatedly hear they are most effective in low speed tip-overs, which I'm a lot less worried about. Since this bike will be 90% street time, I'm also thinking about the terrible road conditions around here - aside from the highway there is no such thing as smooth pavement. Of course, there's insurance for that kind of thing.

    Hmm. Currently 87.5% of respondents are using sliders at the track.

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    05GSXR75005SV65090DR350

  21. #46
    WMC original sdog30's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Burgy
    Age
    45
    Posts
    2,879

    Re: Do you use frame sliders at the track?

    Maybe shoot Eric from woodcraft a pm? He's a racer and engineer and might be able to give you some more insight. Although, I imagine he leans towards using them since he sells them. Lol

    1 Not allowed! Not allowed!

    14 Triumph Street Triple R, 15 KX450F sumo, 15 Husky 250SXF tard, 14 KTM 250SXF and Cole's Grom
    LRRS/CCS #66
    Thank you to my sponsors: Sidi / AMSOIL / Klutch Industries

  22. #47
    Lifer Jayspeed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Medford, MA.
    Age
    42
    Posts
    1,169

    Re: Do you use frame sliders at the track?

    Not only frame sliders protect the bike but what about your leg underneath the bike? It can create a gap between the ground and the bike hence reducing your leg taking the full load. I think I experienced this my last crash and thankful of it.

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    Jay
    2013 gixxer 750
    2009 Ducati M1100s
    2017 KTM exc-f 350

  23. #48
    Member motoarch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Norwalk/ new london
    Posts
    216

    Re: Do you use frame sliders at the track?

    When my MV hit the deck the slider bolt sheared from the engine case. By the frame was ok. Fuck those things.

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!

  24. #49
    Member motoarch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Norwalk/ new london
    Posts
    216

    Re: Do you use frame sliders at the track?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayspeed View Post
    Not only frame sliders protect the bike but what about your leg underneath the bike? It can create a gap between the ground and the bike hence reducing your leg taking the full load. I think I experienced this my last crash and thankful of it.
    Are your sliders a foot long?!

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!

  25. #50
    Lifer Jayspeed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Medford, MA.
    Age
    42
    Posts
    1,169

    Re: Do you use frame sliders at the track?

    Quote Originally Posted by motoarch View Post
    Are your sliders a foot long?!
    Nope they are the Shogun protection kit they sell for a 2013 750. Maybe 3 inches max?

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    Jay
    2013 gixxer 750
    2009 Ducati M1100s
    2017 KTM exc-f 350

Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •