Question about the "S" in NYST..

[xxguitarist]

Hi all,
Looking at track footage & overhead views of NYST, it looks like the trees are rather close to the exits of the corners.
Anyone share concerns for the lack of runoff room? Is it better than it looks?
I'm also not used to tracks without rumblestrip/curb, then a sand/gravel area.

Looks like a fun layout, though!

[Rada]

IMO it's better than it looks. They still need some curbing and a gravel trap or two would be swell. But in general there is much more run off than it looks in photos and video.

[G21forme]

From there Facebook they seem to be adding to the track as funds become available.

[Brendin87]

Per the owner, Greg -The next thing to be added will be more paddock area. Then curbing. As mentioned above, he is reinvesting every penny back into the track.

[jasnmar]

From there Facebook they seem to be adding to the track as funds become available.

From a strictly business standpoint their approach seems quite reasonable.

There's probably and endless list of "it'd be nice if..." right now they are focused on getting "some" cash flow with the minimum things needed. According to all of the reviews I've seen there aren't major safety issues. Could things be better? Of course. Always.

I have a lot of respect for their approach. If NHMS weren't so easily accessible for me, I'd give them some money.

[nhbubba]

If NHMS weren't so easily accessible for me, I'd give them some money.

I plan to give them some money, hopefully next year sometime. Once I'm a bit more comfortable with this bike I dragged home.

[Sportygurl131]

Paul and I just did two days at Nyst its a nice track definitely still in its infantile stages Greg plans on fixing the "lip" between the track and the grass. We ran up town and it appears to have more room for error than downtown. Couple bumps in turn 3 and some off camber sections were the pavement has different pitches In the same turn. But one thing I must say is there is a lot of track you don't realize (wide track ) full track report coming soon

[jasnmar]

I plan to give them some money, hopefully next year sometime. Once I'm a bit more comfortable with this bike I dragged home.

Makes sense. I'm just so close to NHMS that anything else seems exorbitant.

If I get to where I can do all the days NHMS has to offer, I'll think about expanding.

Couple bumps in turn 3 and some off camber sections were the pavement has different pitches In the same turn. But one thing I must say is there is a lot of track you don't realize (wide track ) full track report coming soon

Change a number here or there and it doesn't sound any different than NHMS (not implying that you meant it to). I have no involvement or internal knowledge of goings on, but suspect that the name has as much to do with political reasons as anything. Perfectly reasonable.

[xxguitarist]

Thanks for the input, all.

Sounds like it's reasonable as-is, and will likely be all the better by next season. I'll be moving out to southwest CT this fall, just in time for trackdays to become less frequent.
Still have to figure out which bike I "need" out there anyway!

[Sportygurl131]

Makes sense. I'm just so close to NHMS that anything else seems exorbitant.

If I get to where I can do all the days NHMS has to offer, I'll think about expanding.



Change a number here or there and it doesn't sound any different than NHMS (not implying that you meant it to). I have no involvement or internal knowledge of goings on, but suspect that the name has as much to do with political reasons as anything. Perfectly reasonable.

Yes... Part is...its better to say nyst versus ny race track

[jasnmar]

Yes... Part is...its better to say nyst versus ny race track

No doubt. If I implied anything else I made an error.

[maxim_X]

Still have to figure out which bike I "need" out there anyway!

Do you have a few to choose from? Or are you looking at adding one to the stable? I haven't ridden there yet, but from what people tell me, the small bikes are better off.

[nhbubba]

Makes sense. I'm just so close to NHMS that anything else seems exorbitant.

If I get to where I can do all the days NHMS has to offer, I'll think about expanding.

I hear you.

NHMS is an easy hour through the woods. Through the woods => slower roads that are easier for me to tow a utility trailer behind my (relatively) small car.
NYST or NJMP would be a lot further (duh) and a lot harder to tow to. Everything would be more expensive and logistically more difficult.

But variety is the spice of life, or something like that.


The bottom line is that NYST sounds like one helluva place to go play. I gotta try it. I'll try anything.. once.

[OreoGaborio]

Yeah, the S in safety was to emphasize to the community that there will be no RACING going on. It's intended to be a learning facility, not a racing facility.

Run-off could use a little improvement but it really isn't all that bad. I wouldn't want to race there but that has far more to do with the narrowness of the surface than the run-off.

Tony, Ken and the rest of the TTD staff who were able to run both directions pretty much all agreed that the Downtown direction was a LITTLE more forgiving as far as track lay-out and run-off. They also thought it was a little more fun as well.

[davemon]

Yep, the "S" stands for "Safety" and you should definitely be safe when you are riding this track right now. By "safe", I mean that you shouldn't go 100% or even nearly as close as you might at a track like Thunderbolt. Actually NHMS is probably a better example as I think it's easier to hit big things at NHMS.

It's great in the Downtown direction and I can't wait to try the Uptown too even though I think Downtown will be my fav.

Dave

[xxguitarist]

Do you have a few to choose from? Or are you looking at adding one to the stable? I haven't ridden there yet, but from what people tell me, the small bikes are better off.

I'm currently out in OR, working for an electric motorcycle OEM, so I have a company bike to ride which is more-or-less a Duc monster type. I've put around 10k mi on it in the last year or so. Have two cages- mazdaspeed3 & an older miata, which get driven less than once a week, even in the "winter" that we have here.
Planning to move to be back near family & accommodate the girlfriend's awesome job opportunity in CT.
Still trying to figure out if I want to go with what I know & get a small naked sportsbike, which works for most of my use, or a BMW r12gs type & be able to run off to explore Nova Scotia, which might require a 250 track bike, or the duc 748/848 that I lust after & be less comfortable on my commute...etc.

Yeah, the S in safety was to emphasize to the community that there will be no RACING going on. It's intended to be a learning facility, not a racing facility.

Run-off could use a little improvement but it really isn't all that bad. I wouldn't want to race there but that has far more to do with the narrowness of the surface than the run-off.

Tony, Ken and the rest of the TTD staff who were able to run both directions pretty much all agreed that the Downtown direction was a LITTLE more forgiving as far as track lay-out and run-off. They also thought it was a little more fun as well.

Yep, the "S" stands for "Safety" and you should definitely be safe when you are riding this track right now. By "safe", I mean that you shouldn't go 100% or even nearly as close as you might at a track like Thunderbolt. Actually NHMS is probably a better example as I think it's easier to hit big things at NHMS.

It's great in the Downtown direction and I can't wait to try the Uptown too even though I think Downtown will be my fav.

Dave

Thanks for the input. I'm not about racing, just skills development & a good time. Glad to hear that others agree it's not a 100% track. Knowing that approach is shared makes me look forward to getting out there moreso.
I've been present to see things going pretty wrong at Thunderhill during AFM races, nevermind all the dirt excursions during track days.. There's just a lot more room for exploring without finding a tree there!

[nhbubba]

I'm currently out in OR, working for an electric motorcycle OEM, so I have a company bike to ride which is more-or-less a Duc monster type. I've put around 10k mi on it in the last year or so. Have two cages- mazdaspeed3 & an older miata, which get driven less than once a week, even in the "winter" that we have here.

Very nice.

Still trying to figure out if I want to go with what I know & get a small naked sportsbike, which works for most of my use, or a BMW r12gs type & be able to run off to explore Nova Scotia, which might require a 250 track bike, or the duc 748/848 that I lust after & be less comfortable on my commute...etc.

If you're interested in input: I kinda/sorta live the 'adventure' type street bike + a track toy in the garage scenario you describe above. My street toy is cheaper wannabee hardware compared to the BMW GS. But it's close. I just picked up the track toy recently-thanks in large part to ... input?! influence?! peer-pressure?! ... from folks that post here. I couldn't be happier.

You sound like an engineer or tech type kinda guy. You should be well acquainted with the expression "use the right tool for the job".

These 'adventure' styled things love shitty New England roads. I really do wonder if they weren't designed for these roads. Couldn't be happier with mine.

[xxguitarist]

Very nice.




If you're interested in input: I kinda/sorta live the 'adventure' type street bike + a track toy in the garage scenario you describe above. My street toy is cheaper wannabee hardware compared to the BMW GS. But it's close. I just picked up the track toy recently-thanks in large part to ... input?! influence?! peer-pressure?! ... from folks that post here. I couldn't be happier.

You sound like an engineer or tech type kinda guy. You should be well acquainted with the expression "use the right tool for the job".

These 'adventure' styled things love shitty New England roads. I really do wonder if they weren't designed for these roads. Couldn't be happier with mine.

Certainly interested in input.
I think a GS or GS type would probably meet my overall needs best. The ADVrider forum steered me towards a Multistrada 1100S, which seems like a valid option too.
Yep. Engineer. Working as Systems Eng, degree in Mech & another in Electrical eng.

Are you on a Strom? KLR? I don't think I want to go as far as the KLR, but a V- (or Wee) Strom or the new Honda NC700x might work fine.

[nhbubba]

'11 V-Strom 650. Aka the 'wee' 'strom. I love it... especially now that I've thrown a pile of money at the suspension. I've gushed about this bike endlessly here. Just yesterday I cap'ed off about 360 miles riding from eastern NH out through VT to NY, down to Rt 2/Mohawk in MA, and back. Bike does it all, for cheap.

Even done 2 track days at NHMS on it.

The bigger bikes (ie R12GS, multi) sure are nice. But too much for me. Mostly too much money. I'm a cheap bastid.

Couple guys here have Tiger 800's. That'd be high on my radar were I shopping from scratch. Seems to cure my biggest gripe with the wee; not quite enough powah!

Software engineer myself.

[kimber]

I rode in the slow group for my 3rd and 4th ever track days at NYST. I would imagine that just like any other track, as you learn your lines, you can push it a little harder. I pushed a little less hard than I did last fall for my first two track days at NJMP, but that was due to the complexity of the track versus what was off the pavement.

Where in CT are you moving? I'm in Danbury.

[xxguitarist]

I can see the appeal to the 'Stroms, they're a good price point, should be good on the road, semi-capable offroad. Would be a practical choice for me. Maybe not as exciting, but practical for sure.

Agree that some of the 800s are interesting, tiger or bmw. They're starting to sneak down onto the $10k range also.

Moving probably to somewhere southwest. Milford area possibly.

[SVRACER01]

I hear you.

NHMS is an easy hour through the woods. Through the woods => slower roads that are easier for me to tow a utility trailer behind my (relatively) small car.
NYST or NJMP would be a lot further (duh) and a lot harder to tow to. Everything would be more expensive and logistically more difficult.

But variety is the spice of life, or something like that.


The bottom line is that NYST sounds like one helluva place to go play. I gotta try it. I'll try anything.. once.

if you ever want to go out to NYST to a members day you could carpool with me. ive got a free place to stay out there too. theres a couple of multi day events in sept.

Run-off could use a little improvement but it really isn't all that bad. I wouldn't want to race there but that has far more to do with the narrowness of the surface than the run-off.

really? im not one to notice run off (or lack there of) but i did happen to become aware of the fact that i would not want to leave the track in turn 10(?) or 8(?) going downtown. i also dont understand what you mean by narrowness. the track is 40ft wide all the way around.

Tony, Ken and the rest of the TTD staff who were able to run both directions pretty much all agreed that the Downtown direction was a LITTLE more forgiving as far as track lay-out and run-off. They also thought it was a little more fun as well.

i guess it depends on your definition of "fun". downtown definitely carries more speed than uptown. but uptown is more technical. wheelie/stoppie hill is fun in either direction, though i find downtown a little sketchy

[nhbubba]

if you ever want to go out to NYST to a members day you could carpool with me. ive got a free place to stay out there too. theres a couple of multi day events in sept.

You have my attention. Are they still opening up to non-members? I am reluctant to become a member for one event.. and that's all I could manage this year.

Although honestly I'm thinking two more events this year @ NHMS and I will call it a track day season.

[OreoGaborio]

really? im not one to notice run off (or lack there of) but i did happen to become aware of the fact that i would not want to leave the track in turn 10(?) or 8(?) going downtown. i also dont understand what you mean by narrowness. the track is 40ft wide all the way around.

I was saying runoff isn't as bad as some of the people in here make it out to be...... BUT I also said it could use IMPROVEMENT. Forget turns 8 and 10, I wouldn't wanna leave the track in ANY turn. Doing sub 1:40's downtown on my SV chasing Paul Duval was a friggin BLAST, but I was also trying pretty hard to ignore all the tall skinny brown & green things in my peripheral, along with the big round wet thing way down and beyond the exit of turn 1 (18).

The narrowness that I spoke of has very little to do with physical width but more so the layout of the track... specifically the first section going in the Downtown direction, from turn 1 to the long uphill left. That whole section is very nearly all single file with barely any space to make a pass.

[nhbubba]

Do you guys (TTD) mark up the track with X'es like you do at NHMS? Are there cones at the apexes as well?

I see on FB they have range markers to the corners now. That's neat.. seems kind of like the 'NASCAR boards' into 1 @ NHMS.