I can find you a podium full of whichever tire brand you like - I'm with Mike...riders take podiums.
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I can find you a podium full of whichever tire brand you like - I'm with Mike...riders take podiums.
In years past I think there was a difference between the UK and US tires, but now that they've been manufacturing them in the US for a while now I believe the US now has their process and formulation consistent with what is done in the UK so that the difference is small to non-existent.
The UK tires have to be shipped here, stored in a warehouse, sent to distributors and every time someone touches the tires they have to be paid. I'm told that's the primary difference in price.
Does Shinko even have a road race tire? It was a silly comparison to begin with.
You didn't specify a particular format. :D
http://www.shinkotireusa.com/tire/008-race (Short course / track day slick)
vs
http://www.shinkotireusa.com/tires/sport-bike/drag-race (Dedicated drag tires)
There is a road racer winning out west on shinko's - no bs.
OK, here's an update. Mike @ MTAG tried his best, but couldn't get me the Pirellis (neither Supercorsa V2s nor Superbike Pros) by when I need them. So I went back to Dunlops and ordered the GP-A Pros - 7455/8477 which I am told is the rough equivalent of the SC1 front and SC2 rear.
I spoke to the folks at race tire service and they elaborated on the history - UK was Dunlop's main R&D/manufacturing center so UK tires were better for many years. But now UK plant has closed and production/development has moved to US and France (street tires). Current US Ntecs and GP-A Pros are as good/better than UK spec tires (or so they claim). Current US Ntec slicks as well as GP-A Pros are exactly the same tire, one is a slick one is a DOT. The UK 195, US 200 and US 190 are all the same exact profile - renamed supposedly for marketing reasons (600 guys feel better about a 190 and 1000 guys feel better about a 200). The GP-A pros are supposedly bi-directional and can be flipped. But I flip the Pirellis anyway.
We shall see.
new GP-A Pro rear can be flipped. front cannot. the GP-A Pro is a better tire than the US NTEC, if you're talking about DOTs.
i dont know anyone with experience on the slicks
I used both the US and UK ntec slicks on my KTM. I think the UK tires felt a little better, and the rear seemed to wear much better. My bike came with the UK tires, I wouldn't have spent the money to try them otherwise. I run the US tires now.
You know the bike should be set up differently going from pirelli to dunlop...
I won't join in on the "my tire is better than your tire" debate; my opinion is obviously biased. However, lots of stuff being said here is wrong, some is right, so I'll weigh in on those things:
Correct. A handful of riders in New England can FEEL a difference between the compounds.
This is 100% incorrect. While some compounds have been unavailable at certain times(typically for a week or two, while they are in transit to the US), there is no truth to "all Pirellis are back ordered." If there is...I'd better let Tony know NOT to expect a tractor trailer next week. :lol:
This is correct(thanks B-Funk), but unfortunately the OP needs them just prior to that.
This is also correct.
Hmmm....sort of.
More money? The Dunlop GP-A is $25 less per set, the Dunlop D212 is $65 more per set than our Diablo Supercorsa V2 DOT race tire. That's out flagship DOT, I'm not sure which one Dunlop touts as their best. We do have a low cost alternative also; the V1 Supercorsa at over $100 less than the V2 per set. These prices are all off the local vendors websites, and assume a MW bike. Your "deal" may vary.
Don't last as long? Only going on feedback I've gotten, riders running a range from 14's to 20's who recently switched from Dunlop 212 to Pirelli V2 Supercorsa tell me the Pirelli last longer; I don't believe they are telling me this to sell me on them. Your results may vary, of course.
Correct. If Wood, Greenwood and Cronin started running Shinkos...they'd still be finishing where they are.
Don't pay contingency? 100% correct. 2-3 years back, Pirelli made a decison(meaning Pirelli, not us locally) that it was better to keep pricing lower(2008 levels) across the board, rather than continue a cash paying contingency program. Personally; I'm glad. I think it allows us to serve a larger segment of customers at a better price point, but I do recognize that some guys will follow the money. We haven't had riders get into contingency paying position, then switch, and stay in that position(that I am aware of).
Better tire? Thanks Jim. ;)
Also true, somewhat, but I'd defer to Kates on this. We have had some pretty quick riders(1:17-1:20) make the change, make no changes, and go as fast or faster.
What does a set of V2s at the track cost 160/120?
http://www.gomtag.com/product/14662&...8B2CC/name.htm
Looks like 185 rear and 190 front.