Running track clockwise and counter clockwise?

[kumpy]

Just watched Eric Wood's clockwise and counter clockwise laps around NYST. Why don't we run both counter clockwise and clockwise in NJMP & NHMS?

[jasnmar]

Because the tracks don't have appropriate run off area's running both ways.

I've never been to Jersey, but running NH backwards would put a bunch of solid barriers right where people tend to make small errors. It just wouldn't be safe.

[drinkingmymilk]

Because the tracks don't have appropriate run off area's sorry running both ways.

I've never been to Jersey, but running NH backwards would put a bunch of solid barriers right where people tend to make small errors. It just wouldn't be safe.

Running Thunderbolt in reverse would send you into a bridge in Turn 12...er 1, People would die every single track day.

[Chippertheripper]

There are already a bunch of solid barriers where people make small errors.

[CBR929RE]

downhill into T4 would be a disaster and fucking up T3 would be even worse backwards because that beach isn't very wide and you'd be carrying a bunch more speed.

[OreoGaborio]

Exactly... Safety.

Kump, take a track walk and look backwards sometime. Then look where you'll go if you mess it up.

[WordTooYoMamma]

downhill into T4 would be a disaster and fucking up T3 would be even worse backwards because that beach isn't very wide and you'd be carrying a bunch more speed.

I would decline politely to ever try to go through that turn in that direction.

[Chippertheripper]

I would decline politely to ever try to go through that turn in that direction.

You can't go through it in the correct direction...Zing!

[WordTooYoMamma]

You can't go through it in the correct direction...Zing!

Oww... My pride.

[Jim]

didnt LRRS used to run counter clockwise back in the day?

[SVRACER01]

maybe at briarwood, the only "optional" track configuration is "tight T10".
while T4-3 would be sketchy enough, going into T10 backwards would also be scary and the speed that you would be carrying into the bowl would be ludacris

[CBR929RE]

didnt LRRS used to run counter clockwise back in the day?

that was a much different track with no nascar oval and accompanying concrete walls everywhere

[nhbubba]

I was reading something just this AM about some of the car groups occasionally running the NASCAR turns 1-2 as is; the 'South oval'.
Do any motorcycle groups ever do that?

[jasnmar]

I was reading something just this AM about some of the car groups occasionally running the NASCAR turns 1-2 as is; the 'South oval'.
Do any motorcycle groups ever do that?

Seems like you'd be really cooking coming into 3 if you took the 'south oval'. You'd need to brake even harder than you do today for T1 off the straight. Could be interesting

[SVRACER01]

no south oval for bikes. the cars also dont use use the T12 chicane.
in NASCAR terms, the NASCAR turns are pretty "flat". could you imagine how fast greenwood, sweeny, wood or any other fast guy (realistically anyone on a 600 really) would be careening through the NASCAR turns? and what if you tucked the front?
the closest we came to running the south oval was when T1 was being redone and they set up 3 tire wall chicanes around the oval

[palanon]

yup. entry speeds going into oval T#1 would be to high. The T#12 chicane is nothing more than a stop & go to slow T#1 entry speeds. Enough bikes reach the "Safer Wall" crashing going into road course T#1. If you made it through the oval, the speeds going into T#3 would be insane. Bikes would be flying into and over walls and fences. It would be more of an airport than a race track.

Honestly, we don't even like cars using the south oval unless they're a race licenced group running race prepped cars. If the're not race prepped, they have to stay in a groove or lane and no passing is allowed.

[jasnmar]

Bikes would be flying into and over walls and fences. It would be more of an airport than a race track.

Sounds FUN!

[AVI8_636]

I couldn't imagine running backwards towards the bowl.

[RocketPunch]

NYST can be run in both directions because it is designed to be able to.

[OreoGaborio]

I couldn't imagine running backwards towards the bowl.

That'd be pretty fun actually. Going up T9, through 8, 7 and down into 6. That'd be a blast.


This is what the track (called Bryar Motorsports Park) used to look like. The conventional direction was clockwise.
The top of the picture is essentially T8-T5.


http://www.na-motorsports.com/Tracks...mpshireMS.html
http://www.na-motorsports.com/Galler...yar/index.html

[kumpy]

I understand NH is not setup to run counterclockwise but mine question is why not? Why didn't they consider it when building it? Seems as tho we're considering it for the new track?

[OreoGaborio]

They didn't consider it because they were considering a NASCAR oval. Planning a layout that is fun and exiting in both directions, then clearing the way for run-off and airfence in both directions requires double or even triple the planning, money, etc.

Very few tracks are designed to run both ways because of this. Designing Loudon as it sits now was probably difficult as it was just having to incorporate it into an oval.

[nhbubba]

I am far from an expert. But from some of the videos and photos I've seen on the net many ovals and tri-ovals are even way more sucky as road courses. It looks like most incorporate fake corners fabricated from cone boundaries.

Anyone ever notice that the google satellite photos of Loudon show bikes on the track?

They need to get the google street view car out on the track for street level views.

[Garandman]

didnt LRRS used to run counter clockwise back in the day?

If you look up Bryar Motosport Park you can find maps. I used to do auto time trials on it but never rode a bike. This looks about right.

[OreoGaborio]

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That'd be pretty fun actually. Going up T9, through 8, 7 and down into 6. That'd be a blast.


This is what the track (called Bryar Motorsports Park) used to look like. The conventional direction was clockwise.
The top of the picture is essentially T8-T5.


http://www.na-motorsports.com/Tracks...mpshireMS.html
http://www.na-motorsports.com/Galler...yar/index.html