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    Re: Track bikes for large humans? / SV650 for large humans


    So, assuming I get an SV650, given my immense mass I'll have to upgrade the front springs and rear shock/spring.

    I did this on my DL650 (Sonic linear 1.0 springs, Ricor Intiminators, Elka 3-way shock) but it was over winter and took me a few days.

    Assuming it's a stocker, should I just take it to GMD Computrack and let them minister to it? Or just let 'er rip first? Seems like higher rate springs, Race Tech emulators, and a Penske rear shock is the dial tone.

    Also what are the OEM tires? Are they respectable, or not?

    Should OEM brake pads be replaced, or should I let them wear out?

    Do folks change the countershaft or rear sprocket to gear down for NHMS?

    Are aftermarket exhausts just for fun, or do they bring something to the party?

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    Re: Track bikes for large humans?

    ride it as is until you find out what you like and/or hate...the stock 'spenders and tires might be faster than you...(i have absolutely no idea of your abilities or lack thereof) oxx's sv1k has stock suspension (i think), he's a big dude (with a loud mouth), and he rips it pretty dang fast (like way faster than me)

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    Re: Track bikes for large humans?

    Well, the search is over. Just gave a deposit on a pristine 2008 SV650SF. Going to try and get the truck down there this afternoon to pick it up.



    Suspension is definitely too soft, working on upgrades now. FWIW distance from pegs to seat on the V-Strom with Tall saddle is 21", SV650S 18".

    1. Is there anyplace locally to get a rear stand?

    2. Should I replace the Suzuki frame sliders with Motosliders?

    3. Should I order swingarm sliders before I hit the track (literally and figuratively)?

    4. Are stock brake pads OK to start? They're virtually new.

    5. Tires are low miles but three or more years old. Replace?

    6. A buddy is adamant that I need a steering damper. True?

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    Re: Track bikes for large humans?

    you settled for a 650? why not a bigger bike?

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    Re: Track bikes for large humans?

    Put some proper sporty tires on it and ride it before you bother with anything else for track days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman
    Well, the search is over. Just gave a deposit on a pristine 2008 SV650SF. Going to try and get the truck down there this afternoon to pick it up.



    Suspension is definitely too soft, working on upgrades now. FWIW distance from pegs to seat on the V-Strom with Tall saddle is 21", SV650S 18".

    1. Is there anyplace locally to get a rear stand?

    2. Should I replace the Suzuki frame sliders with Motosliders?

    3. Should I order swingarm sliders before I hit the track (literally and figuratively)?

    4. Are stock brake pads OK to start? They're virtually new.

    5. Tires are low miles but three or more years old. Replace?

    6. A buddy is adamant that I need a steering damper. True?
    Support the businesses that support NESR. Get your pit bull rear stand from boston moto or your woodcraft one from Duncan Moto.

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    Re: Track bikes for large humans?

    i could sell u my 2004 sv1000 with all the goodies on it and gmd suspesion, I raced it in august and had a hard time cuz its to big for me, im only 5'8 and i need a 600

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    Re: Track bikes for large humans?

    Quote Originally Posted by ɹǝʍoןandɹǝʍoן View Post
    you settled for a 650? why not a bigger bike?
    Because about 90% of the suggestions on three different forums were an SV650. There was a small but vocal SM contingent, but few riders familiar with NHMS thought a more powerful bike would benefit me at this stage, even with my immense mass. It's an experiment in progress: I've been to a total of three track days in my life, so this is a big step up compared to my last three bikes: a KLR650 and two V-Stroms.

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    Re: Track bikes for large humans?

    leave the suzuki sliders, they're already there.

    yes on axle sliders.

    leave the stock pads in the rear. get good ones for the front.

    the tires have any dry rot? if not, i'd run em at least to shake the thing down. maybe get a td or 2 out of em.

    i don't think you need a steering damper. maybe something to put on the list for the winter. it's nice to have, but not necessary.

    edit. all this stuff is available through duncanmoto. if you're like me, you'll walk out with a new helmet too. fitted with magic hands.

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    Re: Track bikes for large humans?

    Quote Originally Posted by frenchy21 View Post
    i could sell u my 2004 sv1000 with all the goodies on it and gmd suspesion, I raced it in august and had a hard time cuz its to big for me, im only 5'8 and i need a 600
    Thanks, that would have been appealing, you are exactly 24 hours too late!

    I have another question. Do I need to worry about this bike getting stolen? We live on a hill so park on the sidewalk facing uphill in front of the house. It's between two trees so it doesn't inconvenience any passers-by, and is always covered. The question has been asked on stromtrooper and to my knowledge the number of V-Stroms stolen per year in North America is zero.

    But an almost-sportbike is a different story. Should I chain it to a tree?

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    Re: Track bikes for large humans?

    What's your address?!

    Jk. I think you know the answer to that 1.

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    Re: Track bikes for large humans?

    I'd lock your steering so thieves can't just click it into neutral and roll down the hill into their getaway vehicle. I would 100% chain (along with several other means of security *rotor lock, security system) it to a tree every night if I were forced to leave it outside, don't underestimate people's wants.

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    Re: Track bikes for large humans?

    I'd definately look into storage options especially over the winter. Look further out of the city and prices will drop. There's a place in Saugus that has 10x10's for about 75 a month. Other than that, yes if you leave your stuff outside chain it, with a good chain... and claymores.

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    I'd definately look into storage options especially over the winter. Look further out of the city and prices will drop. There's a place in Saugus that has 10x10's for about 75 a month. Other than that, yes if you leave your stuff outside chain it, with a good chain... and claymores.
    I have a basement and winter storage, in fact this bike will only be there a few days until I put it away. Just want to get some break-in miles in and make sure everything is OK as it has been sitting since last summer. Then it goes to GMD Computrack.

    Still have to decide about tires. I could get a few bucks for the OEM (Dunlop D220?) takeoffs as they only have 1,300 miles on them. Advice on keeping them or replacing them is split about 50/50.

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    My suggestions are as follows: (this is based on what you will eventually have to do as you get faster)


    Do the front end: either have gmd race tech it or put a gsxr front end on


    Do the rear: don't fall for that shock swap crap. Spend the $ and get a penske or a elka or similar


    Gearing: I run 14/44. You can do the same it similar (15/47) I did the front because it was cheaper but if your doing a 520 conversion then either one will do.


    Good brake pads are your friend, especially since the stock calipers are only 2 piston. Getting a radial master for the stock calipers works wonders. If you swap to gsxr forks/brakes this won't be necessary.


    Stock tires on the sv are sport touring tires, they suck. If this is a track only bike then either spend the $ on some some track rubber or buy some take offs from someone (DOTs)
    I don't use a steering damper. I just put some sand in the steering bearings...j/k. With the bike power, or lack there of, I think it just preference. If you want one get one.


    Swingarm sliders are a good idea and they double as rearstand spools.


    I also suggest that once you figure out what front end youre gonna run and if this is going to be a track only bike that spare wheels are a great idea and eventually some rain tires mounted to those time just in case your trackday gets damp it won't ruin your day. And again if this becomes a track weapon then sell all that nice shiny bodywork and gas tank to buy some race bodywork and a rashed tank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SVRACER01 View Post
    My suggestions are as follows: (this is based on what you will eventually have to do as you get faster)

    Do the front end: either have gmd race tech it or put a gsxr front end on

    Do the rear: don't fall for that shock swap crap. Spend the $ and get a penske or a elka or similar

    Gearing: I run 14/44. You can do the same it similar (15/47) I did the front because it was cheaper but if your doing a 520 conversion then either one will do.

    Good brake pads are your friend, especially since the stock calipers are only 2 piston. Getting a radial master for the stock calipers works wonders. If you swap to gsxr forks/brakes this won't be necessary.

    Stock tires on the sv are sport touring tires, they suck. If this is a track only bike then either spend the $ on some some track rubber or buy some take offs from someone (DOTs)

    I don't use a steering damper. I just put some sand in the steering bearings...j/k. With the bike power, or lack there of, I think it just preference. If you want one get one.

    Swingarm sliders are a good idea and they double as rearstand spools.

    I also suggest that once you figure out what front end youre gonna run and if this is going to be a track only bike that spare wheels are a great idea and eventually some rain tires mounted to those time just in case your trackday gets damp it won't ruin your day. And again if this becomes a track weapon then sell all that nice shiny bodywork and gas tank to buy some race bodywork and a rashed tank.
    Thanks, that's just the kind of info I'm looking for - you guys are my new best friends!

    Ordered the Penske two-way shock from GMD Computrack on 8/31 as they were on sale. He has the emulators and springs in stock so when the shock comes in I'll bring it down to him.

    Gearing, I was thinking of going to a V-Strom (15 tooth) countershaft sprocket - I can probably use the stock chain with that. Think that's worthwhile?

    I think the guys at Duncan Moto stock Galfer pads - good choice for the front?

    Think I'll check out some of the track day tire deals and just ebay the stockers. I know this is a religious argument but, Dunlops?

    I'm planning to get spools/sliders for a stand.

    Over the winter perhaps I can look for another set of wheels on eBay and go from there. Presumably the front should have rotors, or do you swap those as well?

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    Re: Track bikes for large humans?

    Kind of excited about something I learned today.

    The DL650 is too long (90") to fit in our Ford Transit Connect. The TC is a compact Ford van built in Turkey.


    Even when I pushed the front wheel up to the console.


    We have a Chevy Express van, and while a great tool the load floor is higher, the roof is lower, and it doesn't get the kind of mpg the TC does. But I noted that the spec sheet for the SV says it is only 82.5" long.

    I pushed the SV all the way in.


    It fits!


    So now driving around with it for upgrades, events etc is much more convenient! Built in wheel chock!

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    I kinda want one of them lil vans.

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    Ted will take care of you on the pad thing
    When shopping for wheels try to get them with rotor
    Stock gearing on that is like 15/44 or 45. Like I said, 14/44 or 15/46,47 is good for NHMS and a lot of other tracks also. I use 3-6 at NHMS with this gearing

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    I personally like dunlops but you need to see what you like.

    Trackday tire deals are good. I've ridden the contis that BOMO sells and they are a good TD tire. As you start going faster then you can start trying other brands (take offs are good for this and way cheaper than buying new) this will allow you to jump from tire brand to tire brand without going broke and still get a feel for the differences that they all offer.
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    Re: Track bikes for large humans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    Because about 90% of the suggestions on three different forums were an SV650. There was a small but vocal SM contingent, but few riders familiar with NHMS thought a more powerful bike would benefit me at this stage, even with my immense mass. It's an experiment in progress: I've been to a total of three track days in my life, so this is a big step up compared to my last three bikes: a KLR650 and two V-Stroms.

    Wilco!
    Did you by any chance stop earlier this summer by Street and Comp and ask for suggestions for what bike would be good for a track bike for NHMS?
    congrats on your new toy

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    Quote Originally Posted by dudutzu View Post
    Did you by any chance stop earlier this summer by Street and Comp and ask for suggestions for what bike would be good for a track bike for NHMS?
    congrats on your new toy
    Wasn't me. Where is that business?

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    Re: Track bikes for large humans?

    Ive got a 2004 sv1000 thats big for me and im 5'8, its race ready with all the goodies u could think of. Ifyour interested i would be willing to sell or trade if you have anything in mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by Degsy View Post
    Support the businesses that support NESR. Get your pit bull rear stand from boston moto or your woodcraft one from Duncan Moto.
    Stopped by Duncan Moto this afternoon and bought some swing arm spools and some other stuff.

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    Re: Track bikes for large humans?

    Well, still feel like a circus bear on a tricycle but I've been having fun. Cranked up the suspension and I've been about wearing out Wampatuck Road, though not at any speed.

    My left knee has some damage so it's mighty tight. Have to try one with rearsets and see if that feels better. Until then I'll just take Vitamin I and deal. Think these would help? VFW Vario footpeg mounts. Or should I try a bike with rearsets?


    The mirrors offer a great view of my elbows....

    I can't remember the last time anyone approached me to talk about the V-Strom. Now it seems everyone wants to stop and chat. Just met a guy who is probably in his late 60's: hew owns a BSA Gold Star and a 2001 SV650. And told me he's looking for an FI bike because he's had problems with the carbs after the bike sits.

    Then, a dude got off a full-dress Harley and walked up. Turns out his other bike is a Ducati Monster - wouldn't have guessed in a million years.

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