Track Day question

[Rada]

now if I could just go faster through 6/7 I would already be in that gear for 8.

That was my solution. Go through T6 faster and a gear higher. Worked out better in the end.

[Degsy]

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Pete said FULL THROTTLE upshift. There's a difference.

[CBR929RE]

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Pete said FULL THROTTLE upshift. There's a difference.

I didn't say but yeah I'm at wfo when making the shift in 8

[TTD]

I didn't say but yeah I'm at wfo when making the shift in 8

Not without a quickshifter you're not.

[CBR929RE]

Not without a quickshifter you're not.

ok technically without a quickshifter you're never at full throttle when shifting since you let off the throttle but you get what I mean.

[TTD]

ok technically without a quickshifter you're never at full throttle when shifting since you let off the throttle but you get what I mean.

I understood ... but just wanted to be sure the OP did. (or anyone considering a quick shifter)

Personally, my quickshifter on the TZ250 accounted for about 0.5 second per lap at Loudon. Remember though, you're doing a lot more shifting on a small two-stroke, so that improvement would diminish on a larger torque bike.

As others said, they are nice to have if you have hit your personal "wall" for lap times, but way down on the list for new trackriders and racers.

[nt650hawk]

I didn't say but yeah I'm at wfo when making the shift in 8

A shift at 8 is a scarry one. Rising/falling hill and some rumble at the apex at the treehouse. I tend to slightly reduce my acceleration at that point. I've heard bikes set up where the revlimeter kicks in. Similar thing.

For my Hawk. I tend to short shift before T7 and dive it to and thru 9.

[TTD]

For my Hawk. I tend to short shift before T7 and dive it to and thru 9.

Same here. Lots of stuff happening up in that section so I always felt being smooth and light on the bars was most important.

[CBR929RE]

A shift at 8 is a scarry one. Rising/falling hill and some rumble at the apex at the treehouse. I tend to slightly reduce my acceleration at that point. I've heard bikes set up where the revlimeter kicks in. Similar thing.

For my Hawk. I tend to short shift before T7 and dive it to and thru 9.

only problem I have there is sometimes swiping air with my foot cause I have to make sure to turn it in to hit the shifter. nothing really scary to me. But I don't run 19s on a Hawk.

[j4eric]

to the OP, i got to page two and skipped the rest, dont forget the back protector, you can buy them at the track or better yet somebody on here might have a spare to lend you for the day. Your first time is exciting and maybe even too much going on, gear, bike etc...take it easy and make it simple, the track community will lend you a hand on anything you forget, just bring your bike, your gear and some money for lunch....you can camp there you know....i do that all the time...its free.

[nt650hawk]

only problem I have there is sometimes swiping air with my foot cause I have to make sure to turn it in to hit the shifter. nothing really scary to me. But I don't run 19s on a Hawk.

Gp shift for the win.

[jtryz]

i am pretty excited. i think it will all be good

to the OP, i got to page two and skipped the rest, dont forget the back protector, you can buy them at the track or better yet somebody on here might have a spare to lend you for the day. Your first time is exciting and maybe even too much going on, gear, bike etc...take it easy and make it simple, the track community will lend you a hand on anything you forget, just bring your bike, your gear and some money for lunch....you can camp there you know....i do that all the time...its free.

[CBR929RE]

Gp shift for the win.

that's what I run. the problem is that's the only turn I shift in so its the only turn where I'm not on the balls of my feet on the pegs. And I only started doing it maybe 2/3 of the way through last season so I still gotta get used to getting my foot in the right position beforehand.

[Degsy]

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Up shifting in a corner? No way!!!!! Brett, you are some kind of radical beatnik non-conformist! Wow. Unreal.


Oh yeah, MSF basic rider course, day 1. Matching gears to speed. It includes an upshift while cornering.


I would like to make an announcement to anyone who races and does not feel comfortable up shifting in a corner. Please, I implore you, turn in your license.

[OreoGaborio]

That's not what they're saying, Degs. You're taking it outta context

Grabbing an upshift at full race pace while at full lean in T8 is kinda iffy.

[butcher bergs]

I'm a little confused here, are we talking about grabbing an upshift after the flip from 7?

[Degsy]

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upshift in 8? Full lean in 8? Doesn't compute with me.

[CBR929RE]

That's not what they're saying, Degs. You're taking it outta context

Grabbing an upshift at full race pace while at full lean in T8 is kinda iffy.

doesn't feel iffy to me, as long as I actually make contact with the shift lever.

I'm a little confused here, are we talking about grabbing an upshift after the flip from 7?

yes after the flip from 7 you would be going through 8. If I would just carry more corner speed I would be in third from 5 till just before 11. but I suck and go back to 2nd just before tipping into 6. I think those are the gears I'm in.

[Degsy]

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Brett, I would suggest a gearing change might help you maintain 3rd through the bowl.

[OreoGaborio]

Brett, to get a little more clarification, are you grabbing this shift DURING the flip from 7 to 8? or AFTER the flip is complete and you're established in your lean for T8?

If it's IN T8, then I agree with Degs... you may want to experiment a little bit with your gearing. Upshifting at that point WILL increase risk in that already dangerous area as you get faster through there.

I think most will agree that if you need a downshift for the bowl (like I do), an upshift close to the peak of T6 (near the grandstands) or DURING the 7 to 8 flip is ideal, or at the very least, preferred over an upshift IN turn 8.

[Pigman]

Brett, to get a little more clarification, are you grabbing this shift DURING the flip from 7 to 8? or AFTER the flip is complete and you're established in your lean for T8?

If it's IN T8, then I agree with Degs... you may want to experiment a little bit with your gearing.

I think most will agree that if you need a downshift for the bowl (like I do), an upshift close to the peak of T6 (near the grandstands) or DURING the 7 to 8 flip is ideal, or at the very least, preferred over an upshift IN turn 8.

I suggested he dropped a tooth or two......also

[CBR929RE]

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Brett, I would suggest a gearing change might help you maintain 3rd through the bowl.

already changed gearing late last year. The problem is my lack of mid corner speed. We had already talked about this last year and figured that I could just carry third through 6.

Brett, to get a little more clarification, are you grabbing this shift DURING the flip from 7 to 8? or AFTER the flip is complete and you're established in your lean for T8?

If it's IN T8, then I agree with Degs... you may want to experiment a little bit with your gearing. Upshifting at that point WILL increase risk in that already dangerous area as you get faster through there.

I think most will agree that if you need a downshift for the bowl (like I do), an upshift close to the peak of T6 (near the grandstands) or DURING the 7 to 8 flip is ideal, or at the very least, preferred over an upshift IN turn 8.

yes I was shifting after the flip after I've already finished all my steering input for 8.

I suggested he dropped a tooth or two......also

you suggested I ADD a couple more teeth to the rear than I did. you wanted me to run gsxr gearing. I chose to go with the equivalent Honda gearing. So I did sorta listen to you

[Dukaki848]

I am in the same boat man. I want to do as much track time as I can get. Have you taken any courses? I would like to take a course through penguin before I start any track days. It's been a few years since I was at the track and would like a refresh. Is a racing liscense required to do track days at Loudon?

[Rada]

I am in the same boat man. I want to do as much track time as I can get. Have you taken any courses? I would like to take a course through penguin before I start any track days. It's been a few years since I was at the track and would like a refresh. Is a racing liscense required to do track days at Loudon?

Not to take away from Penguin.... You don't need any special training for a track day at Loudon. No special liscence is needed. Just the liscence to have fun.

[Dukaki848]

Not to take away from Penguin.... You don't need any special training for a track day at Loudon. No special liscence is needed. Just the liscence to have fun.

That's good to know you don't need a liscense but to take there course and get a little more training is about the same price as a track day. I'm sure it's not going to be as much actual track time. Plus I could get my liscense to race in lrrs if I can get the time off of work.