16 year old killed in motorcycle crash.

[Doc]

I get in some riding time on the range almost every weekend, and am in training to be a rider coach.

So...

I AM a rider coach and I'll take the ERC AGAIN this year. Plus I want to take the new sportbike rider course AND I would like to try the Total Control ARC amoung others...

Never stop learning.

[csmutty]

So...

I AM a rider coach and I'll take the ERC AGAIN this year. Plus I want to take the new sportbike rider course AND I would like to try the Total Control ARC amoung others...

Never stop learning.

In that case I can't justify the money and time.

[Drparj]

In that case I can't justify the money and time.

I justify my life for the money and time, it makes anyone better then they where and hones your skills or refreshes them

[csmutty]

I justify my life for the money and time, it makes anyone better then they where and hones your skills or refreshes them

Yes, it is a good idea but I just have so many other things to accomplish with my money. And I think I will get some good hints at the IPW this weekend haha.

[#1 masshole]

Another one taken too ealry
Def. sucks
RIP man!

[Degsy]

I'll be meeting with the MASS RMV motorcycle rep and the owners of all the MSF schools this morning at the Mass Safety Council. We are meeting to address this exact thing. I'm only sorry that we couldn't get this done a month sooner and this kid might be alive. It sickens me actually, especially having a son now. You can say the parents were irresponsible, you can say the kid was irresponsible, but in the end it's not a crime to be ignorant and a life is a high price to pay for a mistake combined with youthful exuberance. This kid had a desire to ride motorcycles which makes him a fallen fellow biker. Biker for a minute, biker for a lifetime, doesn't matter, it is a state of mind. In some way he was one of us and might well have been a friend of ours and a member here given a few more months.

I'll update on our meeting later on today. I'm hoping to announce to you guys some free MSF Sportbike-only classes for specific groups this season.

Ironic, he was killed less than a half mile where I teach most of my MSF classes.

Derek

[Dieseldan]

VERY SAD

[WordTooYoMamma]

Jesus, this sort of thing always makes me think. I'm all for tiered licensing, especially now that I am old enough not to be affected by it. I still have no idea how I survived my learning phase - I started on a 97 GSX-R 750 track bike (and I don't mean I was using it on a track) when I was 17. I know a lot better now and I'm just glad I somehow survived those first few years.

My choices seem similar to yours, hopefully I survive the learning phase too. I wanted a bike at 16 but didn't end up with one untill I was 20... The extra 4 years in the car and the MSF makes my experiances on a bike much more enjoyable not having to worry about normal road conditions or situations that would trouble someone at 16.

RIP man

[richw]

csmutty

Problem is you don't know what you don't know

You only know what you already know you know; you know?


God's speed

[brady]

csmutty
[...] You only know what you already know you know [...]

and no one really knows as much as they think ("know"?) they do

RIP

PS: I don't think any state in the US has the money, time, or manpower to implement tiered licensing, as good an idea as it may be. But we sure need better education and licensing requirements.

[Doc]

In that case I can't justify the money and time.

I can't argue with that... well the money part at least.

[Ken C]

[greenmonster]

I feel so sad for him and his family. Such a waste. At 16, you've barely gotten going in life...

[LiquidPhire]

Horrible, my condolences go out to the family

[kbroderick]

That statement is only correct if you had no driving experience at all. Your motor skills and basic driving skills are honed by driving a car. You know the rules of the road and get consciously aware of your surroundings by driving a car so by delaying the age you are getting valuable road experience. Yes you might not be able able to still ride a bike, but you put a new bike rider on the road that has no car road experience you are asking for trouble, they don't know what to look for in bad situations.

+1.

I'm pretty damn sure I learned a lot about driving in the ten years between when I got my license and when I got my moto endorsement. Some of the mistakes I made on four wheels would've ended very poorly on two. And given how quickly I got comfortable with being at speed on a bike, I don't think that the lack of protection around me would have made a particularly significant impact on my attitude towards speed and approaching the limits of traction. There's no way in hell it would have been a good idea for me to have been on a bike at 17 or 18, BRC or not. IMO, it's a lot better for drivers at that end of the learning curve to have a cage around them, even if it makes us more dangerous for those of us that on two wheels around them.

[sveesix]

RIP.

Any accident is tragic - especially when there is a death.

We can just hope that this isn't the start of a long riding season filled with RIP's.

[richw]

That's the answer no Motorcycle endorsement until you have 2 years of driving with no accidents and say no more than one moving violation.

The 1st tier is car only

[csmutty]

I can't argue with that... well the money part at least.

Well time IS money..haha

[Manny]

I work in a office in Brockton and have a ton of patients who went to his school. I have had kids coming in all week wearing buttons for him and talking about what happened.

[OreoGaborio]

Exactly.

There is no difference between a 16 year old with no experience and a 30 year old with no experience.

yeah I dunno bout that.

Psychologically, there's a LOT of difference. Mainly in the "consequence prediction" (or whatever you wanna call it) part of the brain, especially in males. That part isn't fully functional until in the mid 20's.

[Degsy]

comments starting to get on the right track

[Doc]

I just thought of something... Do you think he was related to Jersey?

[Evil_Weasel]

in florida anyone under 21 that wants a bike licensce has to complete the BRC. it's been like that since i was 16 at least. no reason it shouldn't be the same everywhere.

[Dieseldan]

I 10000000% agree with that idea ^^^^^^

[csmutty]

I 10000000% agree with that idea ^^^^^^

I like it too. It doesn't disallow younger people from riding and makes a huge step in safety.