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2018 Gold Wing
Honda had dropped the all new Gold Wing
We've been discussing in iglus land whale thread. http://www.nestreetriders.com/forum/...ml#post1510136
it's too bad the tour doesn't come in that silver. I guess the navy is the next best option.
happy 40th to me...perhaps.
Cliff's Cycles KTM
NETRA enduro B-vet
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What's retail gonna be on this thing? Seems like a great bike.
-Christian LRRS/CCS HasBeen ECK Racing
2011 Pit Bike Race CHAMPION!
23kish to 31kish depending on what bits you want MSRP.
Based on what I'm hearing from the Goldwing crowd (who hates everything) I don't expect them to be discounted much.
-Christian LRRS/CCS HasBeen ECK Racing
2011 Pit Bike Race CHAMPION!
23k seems low. The 17's have an MSRP of 24,600 as a base model. Id expect with the new technology and redesign for the lowest one to be closer to 25k.
Well, due to the renaming the "base model" is what was known as the F6B, and MSRP is 23.5k see 2018 Gold Wing Overview - Honda Powersports
@Christian - please feel free to convince my wife that's a good price.
I'm probably looking at the tour edition with the DCT. Starting price seems to be right around 28k. That'll be the 2nd most I've ever spent on a vehicle.
-Christian LRRS/CCS HasBeen ECK Racing
2011 Pit Bike Race CHAMPION!
It's a good question, and to be honest I don't know that I want it, I just think I do.
I've never ridden a bike with a DCT, so I'm guessing. That said, here's my reasoning...
I've driven plenty of vehicles with manual transmissions. Everything from an 18 speed OTR truck to a column shift Ford F550. From a Caterpillar D8 to a Honda CB 70. I understand the advantages (and disadvantages) of a manual transmission. I get the fact that they, in general, offer drivers much more control.
Street bikes, for me, aren't just an enjoyment vehicle. I also use them to get places. That doesn't mean that they aren't enjoyable and used for enjoyment, but that's not all they are for. Doing 400 - 500 miles in a day, 2 up isn't something "unimaginable" (and quite honestly are some great days). Spending 3 hours in commuter traffic on my way to our Boston office isn't something even unusual (it actually can happen multiple times a month, but are generally less great days).
So far (admitting that I haven't ridden one) I don't see a downside to the DCT. You can still "select" the gear you want if you want to. For this particular bike you can even purchase an aftermarket "foot switch". You can also just let the confuser decide. Not having to develop a significant "pump" in my left arm due to modulating the clutch for 2 hours in traffic in Boston would be an advantage (and honestly, the GL isn't that bad, due to the hydraulic clutch, the VTX I had before, with the mechanical clutch could be extremely painful).
First car my family purchased with a CVT I was very skeptical. 2nd car my family purchased with a CVT I was like, cool. When I purchased a vehicle in 2014 that didn't offer a CVT I was completely like WTF, this is stoopid!!! (vehicle also didn't offer a manual transmission, which would have been my 2nd choice, so here I am).
A few year ago serious drivers made fun of people buying cars with flappy paddle gear boxes. Today most super cars come with only flappy paddle gear boxes not only because they work better / faster than manual boxes, but they are easier to operate effectively.
I'd be happy to be talked out of the DCT. It'd probably save me a few grand. I don't understand why I wouldn't want it, yet.
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-Christian LRRS/CCS HasBeen ECK Racing
2011 Pit Bike Race CHAMPION!
DCT is not the same as CVT
My car Accord16 is CVT when you nail it the engine revs to 6000 and the tranny feeds speed to maintain it. Additionally at 50 on a level road
the engine is only spinning at 1200
DCT is concentric transmission shafts so that by moving back and forth a separate shaft is contacted but its a 100 percent attachment
like a manual transmission. I havent investigate it but it is what is on racing and super car paddle shifts
No manual clutch so no achy left hand and effortless creep in traffic
You can paddle shift or let it do it. The only advantage to manual transmission is you know what you are about to do
Hill , pass, accelerate out of turn which you can with a paddles shift
The calculus of hate
It is not that I should win it is that you should lose
It is not that I succeed it is that you fail
It is not that I should live it is that you should die
I also have not sampled. But I've read some rather negative press re: the Africa Twin. Ironically the biggest pros for it are almost all for off-road use. But then the cons apply to both off and on-road use. I find it infuriating when the "confuser" chooses to up-shift just before that long, steep hill. The hooman sees it, confuser not so much. Now it's flailing, trying to double or triple downshift. And multiple gear drops are not the DCT's strong suit. IIRC most implementations MUST shift sequentially; no such thing as a double tap 'n go.
To my eye having a computer work the clutch and shift takes 80% of the fun out of motorcycling. I gave up the manual clutch reluctantly in my daily driver. Not willing to do so on bikes.
I'm not out for all out performance on the street. So what the super-cars do is irrelevant.
Wow, tough week for old people. First they realize they are most likely to die on a bike then their dream bike is unveiled. Oh, the irony.
I went to MMI I know what Im doing here chief
My only problem with DCT is it seems like (more) non-user-serviceable black magic that turns a sweet bike into a paperweight on failure. I admit this is mostly psychological; if I'm comfortable with an ECU and fuel injection why draw the line at DCT?
-Jared
ZX-4RR, R1200GSW, 701 E/SM, Hyperstrada 821 (FS!)
i have to laugh. "first goldwing with and electric shield" Yea i've got that on my 06 ST. the front is verrrrryy interesting
interesting 130/200 combination. easier darkside!
833#. phew my ST is still tighter
LMAO 5.55 gallon tank compared to mmy 7.3 gallon
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I didn't intend to imply that they were the same.
I intended to imply that there was a new transmissiony thing... I wasn't sure whether or not I would like it. I tried it. I liked it.
Yes, the confuser will need make good decisions for this to be effective.
Assuming that they haven't completely destroyed the torque curve of the 1800 cc flat six with the changes they made (and if logic applies to this like it does for the design of other engines, there should actually be more torque) as long as the confuser doesn't screw up too badly there should be a significant amount of room for error. The only actual riding review I've seen of this thing was on the track, so not exactly "real world". We won't know much until these things start actually hitting the street on whether or not the confuser is doing a good job or not.
So far I've never needed to drop 2 on a GL. I went all the way around NHMS in 3rd, multiple times.
It’s official: I want one.
Cliff's Cycles KTM
NETRA enduro B-vet
Close your eyes, look deep in your soul, step outside yourself and let your mind go.
The old alternator was rated ~70A on the GL, but you could buy an aftermarket 150A if you wanted.
I haven't seen any specs on the new starternator, but there's a possibility it could run a tea kettle.
the big boy tourer market is getting good. up until this thing was shown I was all over the Yamaha Star Venture. and I was just on the site and now it a bagger. Mind blown.
Im way to cheap and broke to drop the 25k on one, but in a couple years when they are under 10k sign me up