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    2018 Gold Wing has been announced


    2018 Gold Wing

    Honda had dropped the all new Gold Wing

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    Re: 2018 Gold Wing has been announced

    We've been discussing in iglus land whale thread. http://www.nestreetriders.com/forum/...ml#post1510136

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    Re: 2018 Gold Wing has been announced

    it's too bad the tour doesn't come in that silver. I guess the navy is the next best option.

    happy 40th to me...perhaps.

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    Re: 2018 Gold Wing has been announced

    What's retail gonna be on this thing? Seems like a great bike.

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    Re: 2018 Gold Wing has been announced

    23kish to 31kish depending on what bits you want MSRP.

    Based on what I'm hearing from the Goldwing crowd (who hates everything) I don't expect them to be discounted much.

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    Re: 2018 Gold Wing has been announced

    Quote Originally Posted by jasnmar View Post
    23kish to 31kish depending on what bits you want MSRP.

    Based on what I'm hearing from the Goldwing crowd (who hates everything) I don't expect them to be discounted much.
    23k actually isn't that bad...

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    Re: 2018 Gold Wing has been announced

    23k seems low. The 17's have an MSRP of 24,600 as a base model. Id expect with the new technology and redesign for the lowest one to be closer to 25k.

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    Re: 2018 Gold Wing has been announced

    Well, due to the renaming the "base model" is what was known as the F6B, and MSRP is 23.5k see 2018 Gold Wing Overview - Honda Powersports

    @Christian - please feel free to convince my wife that's a good price .

    I'm probably looking at the tour edition with the DCT. Starting price seems to be right around 28k. That'll be the 2nd most I've ever spent on a vehicle.

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    Re: 2018 Gold Wing has been announced

    Quote Originally Posted by jasnmar View Post
    Well, due to the renaming the "base model" is what was known as the F6B, and MSRP is 23.5k see 2018 Gold Wing Overview - Honda Powersports

    @Christian - please feel free to convince my wife that's a good price .

    I'm probably looking at the tour edition with the DCT. Starting price seems to be right around 28k. That'll be the 2nd most I've ever spent on a vehicle.
    Why the dct? That'd be the last thing I'd ever want on a bike personally.

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    Re: 2018 Gold Wing has been announced

    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    Why the dct? That'd be the last thing I'd ever want on a bike personally.
    It's a good question, and to be honest I don't know that I want it, I just think I do.

    I've never ridden a bike with a DCT, so I'm guessing. That said, here's my reasoning...

    I've driven plenty of vehicles with manual transmissions. Everything from an 18 speed OTR truck to a column shift Ford F550. From a Caterpillar D8 to a Honda CB 70. I understand the advantages (and disadvantages) of a manual transmission. I get the fact that they, in general, offer drivers much more control.

    Street bikes, for me, aren't just an enjoyment vehicle. I also use them to get places. That doesn't mean that they aren't enjoyable and used for enjoyment, but that's not all they are for. Doing 400 - 500 miles in a day, 2 up isn't something "unimaginable" (and quite honestly are some great days). Spending 3 hours in commuter traffic on my way to our Boston office isn't something even unusual (it actually can happen multiple times a month, but are generally less great days).

    So far (admitting that I haven't ridden one) I don't see a downside to the DCT. You can still "select" the gear you want if you want to. For this particular bike you can even purchase an aftermarket "foot switch". You can also just let the confuser decide. Not having to develop a significant "pump" in my left arm due to modulating the clutch for 2 hours in traffic in Boston would be an advantage (and honestly, the GL isn't that bad, due to the hydraulic clutch, the VTX I had before, with the mechanical clutch could be extremely painful).

    First car my family purchased with a CVT I was very skeptical. 2nd car my family purchased with a CVT I was like, cool. When I purchased a vehicle in 2014 that didn't offer a CVT I was completely like WTF, this is stoopid!!! (vehicle also didn't offer a manual transmission, which would have been my 2nd choice, so here I am).

    A few year ago serious drivers made fun of people buying cars with flappy paddle gear boxes. Today most super cars come with only flappy paddle gear boxes not only because they work better / faster than manual boxes, but they are easier to operate effectively.

    I'd be happy to be talked out of the DCT. It'd probably save me a few grand. I don't understand why I wouldn't want it, yet.

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    Re: 2018 Gold Wing has been announced

    Quote Originally Posted by jasnmar View Post
    It's a good question, and to be honest I don't know that I want it, I just think I do.

    I've never ridden a bike with a DCT, so I'm guessing. That said, here's my reasoning...

    I've driven plenty of vehicles with manual transmissions. Everything from an 18 speed OTR truck to a column shift Ford F550. From a Caterpillar D8 to a Honda CB 70. I understand the advantages (and disadvantages) of a manual transmission. I get the fact that they, in general, offer drivers much more control.

    Street bikes, for me, aren't just an enjoyment vehicle. I also use them to get places. That doesn't mean that they aren't enjoyable and used for enjoyment, but that's not all they are for. Doing 400 - 500 miles in a day, 2 up isn't something "unimaginable" (and quite honestly are some great days). Spending 3 hours in commuter traffic on my way to our Boston office isn't something even unusual (it actually can happen multiple times a month, but are generally less great days).

    So far (admitting that I haven't ridden one) I don't see a downside to the DCT. You can still "select" the gear you want if you want to. For this particular bike you can even purchase an aftermarket "foot switch". You can also just let the confuser decide. Not having to develop a significant "pump" in my left arm due to modulating the clutch for 2 hours in traffic in Boston would be an advantage (and honestly, the GL isn't that bad, due to the hydraulic clutch, the VTX I had before, with the mechanical clutch could be extremely painful).

    First car my family purchased with a CVT I was very skeptical. 2nd car my family purchased with a CVT I was like, cool. When I purchased a vehicle in 2014 that didn't offer a CVT I was completely like WTF, this is stoopid!!! (vehicle also didn't offer a manual transmission, which would have been my 2nd choice, so here I am).

    A few year ago serious drivers made fun of people buying cars with flappy paddle gear boxes. Today most super cars come with only flappy paddle gear boxes not only because they work better / faster than manual boxes, but they are easier to operate effectively.

    I'd be happy to be talked out of the DCT. It'd probably save me a few grand. I don't understand why I wouldn't want it, yet.
    I've actually never driven a CVT, so I was curious. That makes sense with commuting and traffic. I swore off commuting on the bike to school on the highway because it sucked so much with a big heavy bike. Maybe this would make it more enjoyable.

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    DCT is not the same as CVT

    My car Accord16 is CVT when you nail it the engine revs to 6000 and the tranny feeds speed to maintain it. Additionally at 50 on a level road
    the engine is only spinning at 1200

    DCT is concentric transmission shafts so that by moving back and forth a separate shaft is contacted but its a 100 percent attachment
    like a manual transmission. I havent investigate it but it is what is on racing and super car paddle shifts

    No manual clutch so no achy left hand and effortless creep in traffic

    You can paddle shift or let it do it. The only advantage to manual transmission is you know what you are about to do

    Hill , pass, accelerate out of turn which you can with a paddles shift

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    I also have not sampled. But I've read some rather negative press re: the Africa Twin. Ironically the biggest pros for it are almost all for off-road use. But then the cons apply to both off and on-road use. I find it infuriating when the "confuser" chooses to up-shift just before that long, steep hill. The hooman sees it, confuser not so much. Now it's flailing, trying to double or triple downshift. And multiple gear drops are not the DCT's strong suit. IIRC most implementations MUST shift sequentially; no such thing as a double tap 'n go.

    To my eye having a computer work the clutch and shift takes 80% of the fun out of motorcycling. I gave up the manual clutch reluctantly in my daily driver. Not willing to do so on bikes.

    I'm not out for all out performance on the street. So what the super-cars do is irrelevant.

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    Re: 2018 Gold Wing has been announced

    Horses for courses. If you commute daily, the DCT would be an amazing plus. For pure enjoyment and soulful connection between rider and bike, not so much. This is the exact reason you can barely find a manual transmission car or truck these days.

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    Wow, tough week for old people. First they realize they are most likely to die on a bike then their dream bike is unveiled. Oh, the irony.

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    Re: 2018 Gold Wing has been announced

    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    I find it infuriating when the "confuser" chooses to up-shift just before that long, steep hill. The hooman sees it, confuser not so much. Now it's flailing, trying to double or triple downshift.
    This *should* be an easy problem to fix. Bosch 6-axis IMU tells the confuser vehicle has a positive pitch, confuser doesn't upshift unless you reach predetermined shift points based on the severity of the pitch. Big plus: it'll hold the gear for whoolies.

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    Hahaa! I never even considered the whoolies. Would be seriously deflating if it shifted as soon as you get it up...

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    My only problem with DCT is it seems like (more) non-user-serviceable black magic that turns a sweet bike into a paperweight on failure. I admit this is mostly psychological; if I'm comfortable with an ECU and fuel injection why draw the line at DCT?

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    Re: 2018 Gold Wing has been announced

    i have to laugh. "first goldwing with and electric shield" Yea i've got that on my 06 ST. the front is verrrrryy interesting


    interesting 130/200 combination. easier darkside!

    833#. phew my ST is still tighter

    LMAO 5.55 gallon tank compared to mmy 7.3 gallon

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    Re: 2018 Gold Wing has been announced

    Quote Originally Posted by Stromper View Post
    DCT is not the same as CVT
    I didn't intend to imply that they were the same.

    I intended to imply that there was a new transmissiony thing... I wasn't sure whether or not I would like it. I tried it. I liked it.


    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    I also have not sampled. But I've read some rather negative press re: the Africa Twin. Ironically the biggest pros for it are almost all for off-road use. But then the cons apply to both off and on-road use. I find it infuriating when the "confuser" chooses to up-shift just before that long, steep hill. The hooman sees it, confuser not so much. Now it's flailing, trying to double or triple downshift. And multiple gear drops are not the DCT's strong suit. IIRC most implementations MUST shift sequentially; no such thing as a double tap 'n go.

    To my eye having a computer work the clutch and shift takes 80% of the fun out of motorcycling. I gave up the manual clutch reluctantly in my daily driver. Not willing to do so on bikes.

    I'm not out for all out performance on the street. So what the super-cars do is irrelevant.
    Yes, the confuser will need make good decisions for this to be effective.

    Assuming that they haven't completely destroyed the torque curve of the 1800 cc flat six with the changes they made (and if logic applies to this like it does for the design of other engines, there should actually be more torque) as long as the confuser doesn't screw up too badly there should be a significant amount of room for error. The only actual riding review I've seen of this thing was on the track, so not exactly "real world". We won't know much until these things start actually hitting the street on whether or not the confuser is doing a good job or not.

    So far I've never needed to drop 2 on a GL. I went all the way around NHMS in 3rd, multiple times .

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    Re: 2018 Gold Wing has been announced

    It’s official: I want one.

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    I find it humorous the spread of those in the "I want one" camp.... I'm sure if it has a 12V power outlet sufficient enough to run a kettle we could get Degsy on board even.

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    Re: 2018 Gold Wing has been announced

    The old alternator was rated ~70A on the GL, but you could buy an aftermarket 150A if you wanted.

    I haven't seen any specs on the new starternator, but there's a possibility it could run a tea kettle .

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    the big boy tourer market is getting good. up until this thing was shown I was all over the Yamaha Star Venture. and I was just on the site and now it a bagger. Mind blown.

    Im way to cheap and broke to drop the 25k on one, but in a couple years when they are under 10k sign me up

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