Accident footage - bike rear ended

[KingCast 650R]

The best thing to do is set up at the left of your lane so you can see past the car in front of you and also escape a rear ender by lanesplitting (sometimes the right may be better, depends on escape routes). The guy in the vid is hanging dead center in the lane giving him none of these advantages.

Right. People need to recognize the three possible lanes within a lane and remain vigilant about which one they are in, to always leave yourself an out. Also I am going to get up with this:
YouTube - Motorcycles should wire these LEDs to license plate for rear end protection.

[Rossco]

He is not talking about lane splitting.....it's about leaving yourself an out. It's about seeing and being seen. Basic strategy.










Oh no, I sound like an MSF instructor

The OUT would be .................... lane splitting. Going on either side of the stopped car. Preferably the left side.

Being seen wouldn't do shit as the guy was following the bike too close to begin with. The basic strategy that the rider should have exercised is the swerve technique, swerve to the left side of the car and technically lane split.

Unless of course your motorcycle can hover over stopped traffic. But I don't remember hearing that in the msf.


Oh no I sound like Kingcast

[OreoGaborio]

Really wish I had seen some of these posts before discussing this accident with a co-worker (who's been riding longer than I've been alive and still didn't get the whole "lane segmenting" concept and how to properly choose a position within your lane)... I tried putting a lot of what's been said in here into words but couldn't quite come up with the right combo. I think I did an alright job at getting my point across, but the whole "it doesn't matter whose fault it is, you can't get your life back" bit that Paul said back on page one is exactly what I was trying to get at. That, and the fact that there's almost ALWAYS something more you could have done to possibly avoid an accident.

[KingCast 650R]

The OUT would be .................... lane splitting. Going on either side of the stopped car. Preferably the left side.

Being seen wouldn't do shit as the guy was following the bike too close to begin with. The basic strategy that the rider should have exercised is the swerve technique, swerve to the left side of the car and technically lane split.

Unless of course your motorcycle can hover over stopped traffic. But I don't remember hearing that in the msf.

Oh no I sound like Kingcast

Dude I'm not saying it would necessarily work in that particular application yo.

But it MIGHT work in others, yo.

But then again it MIGHT have alerted the idiot in the crash at issue.... we will never know now will we? Point being we need every protection we can get, when you say THAT then you sound like KingCast.

[noxin]

Right. People need to recognize the three possible lanes within a lane and remain vigilant about which one they are in, to always leave yourself an out.

I would highly recommend checking your state and local laws pertaining to the permissible light color for your specific vehicle before proceeding with those lights.

[Jaynnus]

The OUT would be .................... lane splitting. Going on either side of the stopped car. Preferably the left side.

Being seen wouldn't do shit as the guy was following the bike too close to begin with. The basic strategy that the rider should have exercised is the swerve technique, swerve to the left side of the car and technically lane split.

Unless of course your motorcycle can hover over stopped traffic. But I don't remember hearing that in the msf.


Oh no I sound like Kingcast

So your saying avoiding a hazard by going to the right or left to escape is the same as traveling in a split lane? I define lane splitting as traveling in the split in an effort to pass the traffic and travel through traffic instead of with it.

[Rossco]

Toh-may-toe, toh-mah-toe

[camhabib]

That, and the fact that there's almost ALWAYS something more you could have done to possibly avoid an accident.

Hindsight is always 20-20.

Those who are saying the bike was at fault, the car crashes not only into the bike in front of it, but into the car in front of the bike. Even had the bike not been there, accident would have likely still happened. Bike could have definitely done something more than just sit there and get hit, but at the same time, I don't typically expect someone to just not see me and an entire lane of cars slow and plow into the back of me.

[OreoGaborio]

Hindsight is always 20-20.

Those who are saying the bike was at fault, the car crashes not only into the bike in front of it, but into the car in front of the bike. Even had the bike not been there, accident would have likely still happened. Bike could have definitely done something more than just sit there and get hit, but at the same time, I don't typically expect someone to just not see me and an entire lane of cars slow and plow into the back of me.

Hindsight is not always 20-20... but being a smart rider and thinking about this shit before it happens can save your ass.

Who said this accident was the bike's fault? I don't want to speak on behalf of others, but I'm merely saying the rider COULD have taken measures that MAY have prevented him from getting his ass run over.

[csmutty]

Personally I would have beat the shit out of the driver of that car and I would have been the one arrested.

[Rusty the Scoob]

The way I see it, there are two ways this rider could have helped himself out even though he's not technically at fault.

1 - be noticeable. The main cause of this accident is that the following car didn't notice him or even the car in front of him.

Some people say "yeah, but the following car didn't even notice the cage in front of the biker! What could a biker possibly do about that?". The answer to that question is obvious and numerous... side to side motion, blinky lights, a high-visibility jacket, backpack or helmet, etc right at eye level - all of these are way more noticeable to the human eye than a black leather jacket or just another car.


2 - follow the MSF rules. In my eyes he was following a cage too closely that was also tailgating another cage, right before a toll booth! HUGE no-no.

[obsolete]

Sorry I'm late... So where is this semantics argument?

[ThisBitch]

I blame Obama. He's ruining our highways.

[v2winstunter]

This video certainly got some response. Let me sum up. Car at fault, rider in hospital with punctured spleen, broken ribs and 4 vertebra. Lets be careful out there. Always know your surroundings, especially idiots drinking their coffee, texting and putting on their makeup in rush hour traffic.

[ZX-12R]

He says that when he broached the subject of riding again with his fiancé, her response was: "That's not gonna happen anymore."

What a bitch!

[dan5]

i think it was the car in front of the biker..if you watch it hes tailgating another car which slowed down, causing the biker to lock up alittle and so on

[imkindafkedup]

I'm still pissed about the no license/ no insurance portion with out an arrest. Yes, accidents do happen. Driving with out a license and no insurance is no accident. Medical bills are not cheap, and motorcyclist don't qualify for PIP. Even with medical insurance, those bills are still thousands of dollars out of pocket. Not to mention the lost income and long lasting injuries.