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New African Twin Maybe 1200cc

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    Re: New African Twin Maybe 1200cc

    Quote Originally Posted by PhilB View Post
    FI would ruin that.
    Modern EFI is pretty well figured out. Would be willing to put money on a FI bike being more reliable than the exact same bike with carbs, over the long haul.
    This is one bit of tech we shouldn't fear so much.

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    Re: New African Twin Maybe 1200cc

    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    Modern EFI is pretty well figured out. Would be willing to put money on a FI bike being more reliable than the exact same bike with carbs, over the long haul.
    This is one bit of tech we shouldn't fear so much.
    Depends on the setup, for stone anvil simple I'd go SmartCarb + basic TCI ignition.

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    Re: New African Twin Maybe 1200cc

    I'd say the new Versys-X 300 is a pretty good contender to take over the KLR's spot. 35HP EFI P-twin, 386lb wet weight, > 200mi range, 19/17 spoked wheels, and so on...

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    Re: New African Twin Maybe 1200cc

    I was just looking at that. It looks like a decent bike I just wish they'd put real suspension on the front. The rear you can at least upgrade the shock later.

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    Re: New African Twin Maybe 1200cc

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurlon View Post
    Depends on the setup, for stone anvil simple I'd go SmartCarb + basic TCI ignition.
    Offered on which KLR package?!

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    I hadn't seen that 300. Gosh, that is pretty sweet. What I wish my DRZ400 were in some ways.
    Is it offered in the US?!

    Emulators and springs solves the front end concerns. If it's shared with the EX300 there may even be better options thanks to the racing world. Maybe.

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    Re: New African Twin Maybe 1200cc

    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    I hadn't seen that 300. Gosh, that is pretty sweet. What I wish my DRZ400 were in some ways.
    Is it offered in the US?!

    Emulators and springs solves the front end concerns. If it's shared with the EX300 there may even be better options thanks to the racing world. Maybe.
    Yes it's coming to our shores.

    https://www.kawasaki.com/Products/2017-Versys-X-300-ABS

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    Re: New African Twin Maybe 1200cc

    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    Offered on which KLR package?!
    KTM, Beta and Gas Gas have been testing SmartCarbs as an alternative to going EFI, so you may yet see them on production machines.

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    Re: New African Twin Maybe 1200cc

    That versys is going to need some hardparts!

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    Re: New African Twin Maybe 1200cc

    Quote Originally Posted by PhilB View Post
    If I was going on a significant long-distance adventure, say, riding from here to Peru (and willing to admit I'd take a boat around the Darien Gap)
    never heard of the Darien Gap so I just spent some time googling it...pretty interesting place!

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    meh 34hp...can't slab optimally...385lbs

    actually, ya...that does match up against KLR

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    Re: New African Twin Maybe 1200cc

    Quote Originally Posted by breakdirt916 View Post
    meh 34hp...can't slab optimally...385lbs

    actually, ya...that does match up against KLR
    The Ninja 300 will do 112mph top speed. I'm sure the Versys will be less being taller and with panniers, but even an 85mph top speed would be more than adequate for 95% of commuting situations.

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    Re: New African Twin Maybe 1200cc

    Whoa, just going to look, the versys650 got really sexy this year. That black one with the little hint of green is sharp. For a street bike, that is...

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    Re: New African Twin Maybe 1200cc

    The [295 lb wet] WR250R cruises easily at 70-75 and people report much higher top speeds.

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    Re: New African Twin Maybe 1200cc

    The CRF250L will *do* 70-75 in a full tuck, but neither rider nor bike are really enjoying that for a long stretch. I would believe the WR is capable of more, but an extra 10hp would go along way at that margin.

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    Re: New African Twin Maybe 1200cc

    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    The [295 lb wet] WR250R cruises easily at 70-75 and people report much higher top speeds.
    it runs on unicorn farts too.

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    Re: New African Twin Maybe 1200cc

    Versys 650 is a great streetbike. with a 17/19 combo, it could be an ADV weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    The [295 lb wet] WR250R cruises easily at 70-75 and people report much higher top speeds.
    Bullshit! The ones I've ridden with struggled to do those speeds.
    Also struggled to pass safely on 2-lanes @ 55-60MPH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feralchimp View Post
    The CRF250L will *do* 70-75 in a full tuck, but neither rider nor bike are really enjoying that for a long stretch. I would believe the WR is capable of more, but an extra 10hp would go along way at that margin.
    I've been fairly mortified with the CRF250L. Slower than my DRZ400 and yet still heavier too. I guess it's a solid commuter appliance. But on the excitement scale it's way down there. None of the running gear is that good either. IIRC the front suspension is not externally adjustable in any way, even though it is a modern looking inverted setup.

    I think a used DRZ400 is a better move over the 250L. Honda releasing it actually lets me not be so cynic about Suzuki not updating the DRZ in 17 years now.

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    Re: New African Twin Maybe 1200cc

    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    Bullshit! The ones I've ridden with struggled to do those speeds.
    Also struggled to pass safely on 2-lanes @ 55-60MPH.
    Kinda yes, kinda no. They'll do it on flat ground, but I wouldn't want to tour with one. Add a hill and you're dropping a gear and pinning the throttle. I can't imagine being happy with them carrying stuff. I consider commuting in a dense metro area on one where speeds stay under 70 to keep costs at a minimum. They get retarded mileage if you're not crazy with them.

    Gearing for the woods actually has them cruising easier on the highway but they spin to the moon.

    Passing on a 250 is, well passing on a 250. They teach you patience

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    Quote Originally Posted by e30addict View Post
    They'll do it on flat ground, but I wouldn't want to tour with one. Add a hill and you're dropping a gear and pinning the throttle. I can't imagine being happy with them carrying stuff. I consider commuting in a dense metro area on one where speeds stay under 70 to keep costs at a minimum.
    Yeah, so they don't "cruise easily" at those speeds.
    I think we're on the same page here.

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    Re: New African Twin Maybe 1200cc

    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    Modern EFI is pretty well figured out. Would be willing to put money on a FI bike being more reliable than the exact same bike with carbs, over the long haul.
    This is one bit of tech we shouldn't fear so much.
    Absolutely, yes, much more reliable. Until it breaks. The question for a bike like that isn't really reliability as much as fixability. Yep, FI will get you farther, but *if* it fails, carbs are much more fixable under primitive conditions. As I said, if I expected to have access to civilization, I'd take an FI bike. If I was going to be really out there, I'll go with as simple as possible, with the least electronics that can be had. Few places in the world are like that anymore, so the useful need for a bike like the KLR650 may be coming to an end, but that kind of a bike is still a good option for those few places and times where you're really on your own.

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    Re: New African Twin Maybe 1200cc

    Quote Originally Posted by PhilB View Post
    Absolutely, yes, much more reliable. Until it breaks. The question for a bike like that isn't really reliability as much as fixability. Yep, FI will get you farther, but *if* it fails, carbs are much more fixable under primitive conditions. As I said, if I expected to have access to civilization, I'd take an FI bike. If I was going to be really out there, I'll go with as simple as possible, with the least electronics that can be had. Few places in the world are like that anymore, so the useful need for a bike like the KLR650 may be coming to an end, but that kind of a bike is still a good option for those few places and times where you're really on your own.

    PhilB
    I understand the logic here, but I don't think FI is that much less fixable than a carb today. An injector would take up virtually the same real estate in a trekker"s luggage as a carb kit. With proper filter maintenance (fuel and air) both systems should have the same needs: none.
    That said, the only guy I've met thats gone the distance (from NH to South America) has done so on that mythical beast the wrr. And every klr I've seen meandering trout the countryside has had parts rattle right off of it.
    but alas we're straying further and further from the AT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    ...alas we're straying further and further from the AT.
    This.

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    Re: New African Twin Maybe 1200cc

    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    I've been fairly mortified with the CRF250L. Slower than my DRZ400 and yet still heavier too. I guess it's a solid commuter appliance. But on the excitement scale it's way down there. None of the running gear is that good either. IIRC the front suspension is not externally adjustable in any way, even though it is a modern looking inverted setup..
    If either the KLX250 or DRZ400 were EFI bikes, I'd probably own one instead of the 250L. Of course those carbs are reliable enough, but I still don't want to deal with them. It does *no*t make much power, and if I weighed another 25-40lbs I could easily imagine it going from "yay pin it through the gears" to "man this is pokey." Similar thoughts on the stock suspension; for me it's plush without feeling clapped out. I've also never ridden a real dirt bike, so I just fundamentally don't get it when people complain about its weight. Wish they all came with 3 gallon tanks though.

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