Buying a bike with a blank frame

[j4eric]

I am just going to use it strictly as a track bike.
Can I get in trouble with the law?..I don't know anything about this situation
So I'd figure I'd throw it out there.

[ecd2004]

if it can be proved to be stolen, then yes. it's accepting stolen property, but if it is a truly blank frame then no

[j4eric]

What is truly a blank frame? Isn't the vin# on the engine? I guess i could run it thru that.

[Expat]

If it is a production bike then you should be able to see if the number has been ground Look carefully at the headstock, the VIN is always stamped vertically and is usually on the right side.
There is a lot of technology that can identify numbers even if ground off in some cases.

The engine # is not the VIN # but is used by the manufacturer to identify the build date, plant etc. In Europe, they also list the engine # on the ownership documents.

Look for other obvious efforts to hide / change the original identity, repainted body, parts missing or scratced etc.
If you have any doubts, pass on it, a deal isn't a deal if the cops come knocking on your door!

[csmutty]

A blank frame can also mean that the bike has an aftermarket frame or a replacement frame that was not intended for road use, so they did not stamp it with a vin.

[DuncanMoto]

I would be aware of an intentionally ground off VIN.

[j4eric]

Okay guys...here is the posting so we can talk of the same bike

http://weraclassifieds.com/ads/2006-cbr-600rr/

[duganc1717]

Have you emailed the seller and asked about the status of the frame?

[j4eric]

Have you emailed the seller and asked about the status of the frame?

No title..blank frame is all he said...

[ecd2004]

id just ask him what he means by blank frame. with the black anno, it should be easy enough to tell if the vin has been ground off. also do they put it in multiple places on bikes like they do on cars?

[Expat]

I would doubt there are any CBR600s with "blank" frames out there. They are stamped at the factory and Honda wouldn't import a bike without a frame #, It doesn't make sense. Even for a top team to build a race bike, I am sure they would just take an unregistered new bike and build a race bike from it.
Ask the guy to send you a couple of high res close up's of the headstock

[R7]

I don't know about Honda, but when a friend of mine looked into a new Yamaha frame for his R1, he was told it wouldn't have a vin number on it and that he would have to have it stamped in after the DMV issued a rebuilt title.
So it's possible that it's true...but with the costs for a new frame being as much as a complete salavaged bike, you'd have to ask why would you even bother?

[Expat]

I don't know about Honda, but when a friend of mine looked into a new Yamaha frame for his R1, he was told it wouldn't have a vin number on it and that he would have to have it stamped in after the DMV issued a rebuilt title.
So it's possible that it's true...but with the costs for a new frame being as much as a complete salavaged bike, you'd have to ask why would you even bother?

Good point, this could be a possibility but as you say, with the cost, I would guess highly unlikely.

[Awesome]

I don't know about Honda, but when a friend of mine looked into a new Yamaha frame for his R1, he was told it wouldn't have a vin number on it and that he would have to have it stamped in after the DMV issued a rebuilt title.
So it's possible that it's true...but with the costs for a new frame being as much as a complete salavaged bike, you'd have to ask why would you even bother?

When I looked into buying a replacement honda frame, they told me how it works. My frame was damaged, I had to cut the neck off of it, with the vin on it, mail that too them, they would stamp the new frame with the numbers after verifying them from what I send. They told me they do not sell frames without a vin.

[burnham]

My race Aprilia had the frame replaced when I crashed the bike. The new frame had/has no numbers on the neck. I crashed again and fucked that frame up too.

[drinkingmymilk]

My race Aprilia had the frame replaced when I crashed the bike. The new frame had/has no numbers on the neck. I crashed again and fucked that frame up too.

Aprilia is an odd ball though due to Vin plates on most of there bikes. Look at AF1, people sell vin plates and titles all the time vs clean frames and titles. It's a very common way to street register a RS250 with an RS50 vin plate.

[CBR929RE]

I would doubt there are any CBR600s with "blank" frames out there. They are stamped at the factory and Honda wouldn't import a bike without a frame #, It doesn't make sense. Even for a top team to build a race bike, I am sure they would just take an unregistered new bike and build a race bike from it.
Ask the guy to send you a couple of high res close up's of the headstock

even the production class factory racebikes have vin numbers. typically they are very low/early numbers.

[langloisandy]

Walk away from this, seriously... PM me if needed.

Andy