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    Quote Originally Posted by SVRACER01 View Post
    i think the point is that he was arrested in 14 and discovered to be illegal but instead of deporting him they released him and his hearing for being here illegally isnt scheduled until next year. once again the govt has failed to do its job and we pay the price.
    When an illegal immigrant breaks a law (and they do, at a lower rate than US citizens), the gubbermint has failed and we pay the price.

    When a citizen shoots up the place, they are just one bad apple and we shouldn't all have to pay the price for their crimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    When an illegal immigrant breaks a law (and they do, at a lower rate than US citizens), the gubbermint has failed and we pay the price.

    When a citizen shoots up the place, they are just one bad apple and we shouldn't all have to pay the price for their crimes.
    Lately the latter tends to be because the government has failed and we all pay the price as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by isaac_ View Post
    The drivers immigration status has nothing to do with the incident. Why is that reported?


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    How about reports of previous crimes for others accused of new crimes? Would it be ok for a news agency to report that a white male US citizen accused of rape has committed previous bank robberies, for example? How about prior tax evasion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imbeek View Post
    How about reports of previous crimes for others accused of new crimes? Would it be ok for a news agency to report that a white male US citizen accused of rape has committed previous bank robberies, for example? How about prior tax evasion?
    I think a violent offense is different than a nonviolent crime. Violence is indicative of ones character. But I don’t think immigration status lines up just as nicely. Especially if it’s someone that was brought here.

    Tax evasion. Not sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwelveGaugeSage View Post

    Many undocumented immigrants didn't come here, they were brought here.
    Quote Originally Posted by isaac_ View Post
    Especially if it’s someone that was brought here.
    Love how a road rage incident turns into a full-on immigration debate on NESR (yes, I am guilty also). Is it riding season up there yet?!

    I don't get the forceful 'they were brought here' argument. Yes, it's not their fault, and it's their parents fault. But we all bear the cost of bad choices our parents make, morally and financially and legally in one way or another. Do they deserve sympathy and special treatment in the path to legalization via existing legal quotas and processes? Yes, absolutely. Do you just wipe the slate clean and say they are all now legal? No. They are still illegal because the law is black and white.

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    Yea, mea culpa for derailing the thread.

    I don’t think slates should be wiped clean. But path to legalization is extremely difficult for an illegal immigrant. But anyways, are they illegal and breaking laws: yes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Sure View Post
    Right on man, cause that’s exactly what I meant. I’m glad you were able to make that connection. Let’s have the Mexicans pay for it too!!
    I did not mean to imply you felt that way. Just responding to the idea, and anyone who subscribes to it.
    Quote Originally Posted by xxaarraa View Post
    While I agree with Isaac that immigration status is not a direct factor in road rage (everyone can get angry on the road, right?), I also don't think the information should necessarily be suppressed. The law is and should be black and white. You are legal or illegal.
    It's a fact, but is it relevant to the incident? Should we mention that the driver has been cited in the past for .... shit what's a non-violent non-moving violation example? He was cited for using an aerosol can in a manner other than directed.

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    Coworker left the office and was sitting at a red light down the street. A driver swung wide through the intersection hitting his bike and knocking him to the ground. The driver continued on their way. The camera in the intersection did not get the car's plate but did capture the car and driver clearly. The cop staked the intersection the same time for the next couple of days and low and behold saw the car. He pulls over the women who additionally did not have auto insurance (don't recall if she had a license) and subsequently arrests her. Supposedly, the woman was livid because it was Friday and she had to sit in jail over the weekend before being able to see a judge. Ultimately, she ended up with a slap on the wrist and associated fines and sent on her way. The court supposedly did not want to deal with the extra paperwork and expense of addressing her legal status. Coworker had to make a claim through his own insurance to repair the bike.

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    So, the uninsured car driver got a slap on the wrist, and your friend is out his deductible and most likely lost out on the deal. Uninsured drivers also drive up the cost of insurance for us all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falko View Post
    So, the uninsured car driver got a slap on the wrist, and your friend is out his deductible and most likely lost out on the deal. Uninsured drivers also drive up the cost of insurance for us all.
    4 years ago, I was riding my motorcycle home from work and was hit at 5:30 PM by an uninsured, unregistered and drunk driver who ran a stop sign. I woke up 2 days later in the hospital with a broken femur and 4 fractures in my spine and neck as well as a concussion. I was very fortunate to have my health insurance pick up the tab for my rehab, but the guy walked free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxaarraa View Post
    4 years ago, I was riding my motorcycle home from work and was hit at 5:30 PM by an uninsured, unregistered and drunk driver who ran a stop sign. I woke up 2 days later in the hospital with a broken femur and 4 fractures in my spine and neck as well as a concussion. I was very fortunate to have my health insurance pick up the tab for my rehab, but the guy walked free.
    yabbut, how about his immigration status?? We demand all the facts.
    In all seriousness, that sounds like it was a whole lot of not-fun.

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    Hypothetical scenario since kinda relevant-

    If you only had to pick one out of the two types of individual: Illegal(no license or reg) and/or uninsured driver who is a competent/aware driver vs a legal DMV registered, insured, licensed driver who is poorly skilled and distracted driver.

    Reason for the thought was because today I was driving behind some old lady who was on her phone or doing makeup on the highway. For 10 miles in busy traffic she used all of her lane and plenty of others while crossing over multiple times. When she finally looked up at the road she overreacted with panic brake checks. It stuck in my mind cause I purposely chose to go super slow and just drive a safe distance behind her so she wouldn't hit me.

    I'm also baffled that the DMV renewed a coworkers dad who is 92 and getting next week glocoma surgery next week. Did I also mention he drives a big cadillac in Hilton Head, SC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxaarraa View Post
    4 years ago, I was riding my motorcycle home from work and was hit at 5:30 PM by an uninsured, unregistered and drunk driver who ran a stop sign. I woke up 2 days later in the hospital with a broken femur and 4 fractures in my spine and neck as well as a concussion. I was very fortunate to have my health insurance pick up the tab for my rehab, but the guy walked free.
    Wow, that sucks. Glad you're still among the above-terra.
    My sister had her car totaled by an uninsured motorist years back. And for Chipper, yes, it was an illegal, in Florida, in an unregistered car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidavong View Post
    Hypothetical scenario since kinda relevant-

    If you only had to pick one out of the two types of individual: Illegal(no license or reg) and/or uninsured driver who is a competent/aware driver vs a legal DMV registered, insured, licensed driver who is poorly skilled and distracted driver
    Split the difference?

    Earlier this week got hit from behind by a [legal] visitor from Vietnam. His Vietnamese license was dated 3/18 and his international license a week later. $3,000 damage. Driving Skill Not Found.

    About 25% of Bostonians are first generation immigrants not one of whom seems to understand the left lane is faster moving.

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    I think it says numerous things stating he is an “illegal” like no drivers license, insurance, and registration. Do you think it would have been worded differently before Trump? Maybe, maybe not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayspeed View Post
    I think it says numerous things stating he is an “illegal” like no drivers license, insurance, and registration. Do you think it would have been worded differently before Trump? Maybe, maybe not.
    Umm, this is not a Trump thing, I've been hearing people's status reported that way in road incidents on the radio for YEARS coming out of Mass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurlon View Post
    Umm, this is not a Trump thing, I've been hearing people's status reported that way in road incidents on the radio for YEARS coming out of Mass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayspeed View Post
    I think it says numerous things stating he is an “illegal” like no drivers license, insurance, and registration. Do you think it would have been worded differently before Trump? Maybe, maybe not.
    There is an immense difference between the way New Englanders - who are minimally impacted - see this issue compared to Mexican border states like AZ, CA, TX, etc.

    What is lost in the “discussion” about “illegals” is first, that people who follow the rules for immigration to the US are getting lost in the shuffle. Secondly, the issue has been kicked down the road by both parties so many times that we now have adult children of illegal immigrants who have been held hostage to the process.

    Gerrymandering was invented in Massachusetts and perfected over the last two hundred years so that Congress no longer has to negotiate anything to get re-elected. The broad pragmatic middle has been marginalized.

    The incident is still of great concern for road motorcyclists, despite the unwholesome nature of both participants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    There is an immense difference between the way New Englanders - who are minimally impacted - see this issue compared to Mexican border states like AZ, CA, TX, etc.

    What is lost in the “discussion” about “illegals” is first, that people who follow the rules for immigration to the US are getting lost in the shuffle. Secondly, the issue has been kicked down the road by both parties so many times that we now have adult children of illegal immigrants who have been held hostage to the process.

    Gerrymandering was invented in Massachusetts and perfected over the last two hundred years so that Congress no longer has to negotiate anything to get re-elected. The broad pragmatic middle has been marginalized.

    The incident is still of great concern for road motorcyclists, despite the unwholesome nature of both participants.
    There is no outside influence that would make me think different when I read a headline that says “illegal immigrant.” I work in the trades and have meet and befriended the like. I’ve meet the most nice and peaceful people and have seen their care for others. I’d trust my life with some. Seeing any angry immigrant usually means “Americanized.” There is always a bad apple. And there is legal and illegal. Dude should have shook off the spastic motorcyclist.

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