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    watched that video a bunch of times...you can hear screeching and 2 impacts...is it moped to wall then moped to ground?...is it cop car to stop sign then moped to ground?...is it cop car to moped/sign then moped to ground?...didn't look like any damage to the wall so i'm guessing the kid rode onto the sidewalk trying to slow down (he gets the shakes in the video) and the cop couldn't slow down and smoked him...there was all kinds of illegal riding going on...not sure if this kid was doing all that but he was part of that group and was probably the slowest one...the providence cops have a no chase policy except under certain circumstances...heard BLM got a hold of this and is going to run with it...personally i hate these groups and wish there was something that could be done...at the same time it's a little harsh running down a kid on a moped in a 4000+lb vehicle and putting him in a coma

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    Re: Dirt Bikes Seized by Boston Police

    Looking at that pic I don't THINK punting a scooter would bend it like that, but if it hit the building wouldn't it look worse, unless it just grazed the building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by backinthesaddle View Post
    Looking at that pic I don't THINK punting a scooter would bend it like that, but if it hit the building wouldn't it look worse, unless it just grazed the building.
    damage looks like it's on the passenger side of the cruiser though which is away from the wall...those stop signs just bend a snap at the sleeve set into the sidewalk so they can be easily replaced...i think the cruiser couldn't slow in time and hit him

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    I think once the official investigation is concluded, it will be very clear that the scooter rider backed into the cruiser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_E_D View Post
    I definitely don't live with it day in and day out, but I have been around it. Springfield and Holyoke have these issues and it actually spreads to some of my tolerated dirt riding areas. My family in Baltimore have the issue in their city. I don't have any answers. Only questions.
    We agree about that, a lot more questions than answers. It certain,y is better than drugs and shooting people.

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    Well protest resulted in donuts, smoke shows, fireworks and throwing things. Glad my wife didn’t leave the city tonight by the demonstrators.

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    Definitely racism and not the fact that they are doing illegal shit. LOL.

    Hope this kid learned something and his entitled parents wake up and realize their kid isn't the victim.

    Jay I can see how you can relate to peer pressure to steal, but do you just sit back and let this behavior become acceptable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    Jay I can see how you can relate to peer pressure to steal, but do you just sit back and let this behavior become acceptable?
    When the hell are we going to start realizing that understanding is not the same as acceptance?

    And that one of the first steps in finding a solution to a problem is understanding the problem?

    I see this constantly online... Person A gets angry about something... Person B chimes in with some reasonable insight into why it might be happening... Person A gets angry at Person B for trying to find the reason for whatever Person A is angry about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OreoGaborio View Post
    When the hell are we going to start realizing that understanding is not the same as acceptance?

    And that one of the first steps in finding a solution to a problem is understanding the problem?
    Looks like they already found a valid solution here.

    Meh, whatever. I don't live in the city so realistically I don't give a shit anyways. Hood rats doing hood rat shit isn't my problem.

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    Re: Dirt Bikes Seized by Boston Police

    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post

    Jay I can see how you can relate to peer pressure to steal, but do you just sit back and let this behavior become acceptable?
    I don't have the answer. However, in most cases, I don't think that handing out a life changing jail sentence to a teenager or running someone of any age over is the answer. Again, in most cases. Its a tricky one. And this isn't a race thing to me, its an environment thing (that is heavily skewed to black males.)

    Considering my house in Boston is in Roxbury, I'm very familiar with this. A lot of these riders are just kids. A lot of them are actually on bicycles too. Maybe you make an example of the older, ring leaders and cut some slack to the younger crowd. I don't know.

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    I guess I sit here knowing that I got away with a lot of shit growing up in a cushy little suburb.

    Caught by EPA in the woods - $100 ticket.
    Pulled over by local cop while doing wheelies on my 4 wheeler - court magistrate appointment and got away clean.
    My little brother got pulled over on an unregistered uninsured scooter - court magistrate appointment and got away clean.
    And A LOT of things I ran away from.

    Not the same situations, but I could EASILY see myself (and probably a lot of us adrenaline junkies) in VERY similar circumstances if we had different upbringings. And I know there will always be exceptions on both sides (people in good environments doing shitty stuff and people in bad environments making good decisions). Its difficult. If you're going to throw the book at people, you throw it at everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OreoGaborio View Post
    When the hell are we going to start realizing that understanding is not the same as acceptance?

    And that one of the first steps in finding a solution to a problem is understanding the problem?
    Or realizing that this is like a larger societal metaphor of a parent who tries to aggressively control their children. They eventually start acting out and the parent is baffled when piling on more heavy handed attempts to assert control only leads to more acting out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aldend123 View Post
    Or realizing that this is like a larger societal metaphor of a parent who tries to aggressively control their children. They eventually start acting out and the parent is baffled when piling on more heavy handed attempts to assert control only leads to more acting out.
    Go on....

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    Quote Originally Posted by aldend123 View Post
    Or realizing that this is like a larger societal metaphor of a parent who tries to aggressively control their children. They eventually start acting out and the parent is baffled when piling on more heavy handed attempts to assert control only leads to more acting out.
    Because not spanking the current generation seems to be working out so well...

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    Statement from Organizers of the Ride Out

    We are the organizers of the ride out that took place on October 18, 2020, during which Jhamal Gonsalves was hit by a Providence police vehicle and badly injured. Many of our riders were present and witnessed the vehicle hit Jhamal.

    We are writing to check the racist, criminalizing narrative that has already been pushed by police and media that Jhamal was part of a dangerous mob.

    On average, the people in the Rhode Island biking community are around the age of 21; they are overwhelmingly Black and brown men; many rely on bikes as their only means of transportation; many have been targeted by the prison system and have records. Young people in our communities start biking around the age of four and become part of the culture as they grow up. This culture is not only part of our communities here in Rhode Island but for some us, the countries that we come from.

    Ride outs were built to create safety for our youth. We ride in packs to minimize the possibility of being hit by cars. We ride together because it creates bonds in our community. Because so many of our young Black and brown men are locked out of society due to racism and records, bike culture creates a space to help bring us back into community.

    We have been organizing ride outs for four years in an effort to bring our community together and build relationships with one another. We have ridden together in protest of police brutality. For the last three months, we have organized bikers to register and vote around the upcoming presidential election. This most recent ride out was meant to encourage our neighborhoods to pick up their bikes and put down their guns.

    Jhamal is somebody who participates in the community ride outs. He is a painter and makes custom scooters. He is a young man who is looked up to by teenage riders and very well respected by all in our community. He is a professional, sponsored motocross rider who can jump twenty feet in the air on a bike. His control of a scooter is second to none; he has the balance and control of a ballerina. Jhamal would not have been thrown off his bike if not for the police vehicle that aggressively hit him.

    There was a police officer standing by Jhamal’s bed in the hospital last night as though he is the threat. The police are the threat. The police hunted down our friend, dragged his body after throwing him off his bike, are standing ready to take away his freedom. Do not allow the state to distract us from the real perpetrators of violence in our communities.

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    A missing paragraph...

    To promote safety and a sense of responsibility in our community, we work with all of our riders to make sure their bikes are properly owned, registered and insured. We have created a fund to assist our members in meeting these obligations. We do not condone riding stolen, unregistered, uninsured bikes on public roads, as our goal is to promote a positive image of our community and create a pathway for the youth in our community to find fellowship and positive mentorship through biking.

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    ^^^was this the same kid that was demanding that the city provide property for riders to use similar to a skate park and started rattling off abandoned properties?


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    A massive ATV and dirt bike ride is planned for Tuesday night in Providence — as a protest expecting hundreds of people is scheduled for 6 PM on Elmwood Avenue.
    Dubbed “Hallowheelie Season V”, the bike event planned mirrors that of what took place on Sunday, when 300 vehicles ran rampant through Providence.

    A rider, Jhamal Gonsalves, was seriously injured in an accident involving police which is currently under investigation.

    One rider — Jeremy Costa — appealed for elected officials to provide a place for riders to go.

    “I will say that one City Councilwoman from Providence has reached out, but we need more. I post this post to show other elected official that there are alternatives to policy’s ordinances and policing of ATVs, bikes, moped and scooters in our city. And that alternative can build businesses and bonds,” said Costa.

    “We have parks and old charter schools that are not being used and a golf course behind Hartford projects just sitting. We are number I in Natural space in the country. We need you to invest the same money and time into a park just like you do skate park and sports fields,” he continued. “Stop trying to marginalize the black and brown folks because we are not going to stop.”

    On Monday, Providence Police Chief Hugh Clements said behavior of the large bike groups was reckless — and illegal.

    "Unfortunately, this a huge challenge — for this police department, departments around the country and other municipalities in Rhode Island face," said Clements. "These vehicles operate in an unsafe and reckless manner — [riding] into oncoming traffic, no regard for others' safety, going through red lights and stop signs."

    “Justice for Jhamal” Protest Planned

    A protest is also scheduled for 6 PM at Knight Memorial Library.

    According to the event’s Facebook back, over 500 people plan on attending — with close to 2,000 more saying they might.

    Event organizers write:

    Jhamal Gonsalves is currently in a coma because a Providence police officer deliberately hit his motor scooter with a police cruiser. That is willful attempt of manslaughter.

    Police operates in Black, Native and Latinx neighborhoods still follow the logic of an armed occupation force. Providence police is set to get 88 million dollars next year to brutalize and to commit crimes against people.

    We demand:
    1. An Independent investigation.
    2. Fire and charge the police officers involved with attempted manslaughter.
    3. Reparations for Jhamal and his family.
    4. Immediately cut the Providence police department budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    Because not spanking the current generation seems to be working out so well...
    Oh jesus christ. You sound like you're my age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsorfas View Post
    Statement from Organizers of the Ride Out

    We are the organizers of the ride out that took place on October 18, 2020, during which Jhamal Gonsalves was hit by a Providence police vehicle and badly injured. Many of our riders were present and witnessed the vehicle hit Jhamal.

    We are writing to check the racist, criminalizing narrative that has already been pushed by police and media that Jhamal was part of a dangerous mob.

    On average, the people in the Rhode Island biking community are around the age of 21; they are overwhelmingly Black and brown men; many rely on bikes as their only means of transportation; many have been targeted by the prison system and have records. Young people in our communities start biking around the age of four and become part of the culture as they grow up. This culture is not only part of our communities here in Rhode Island but for some us, the countries that we come from.

    Ride outs were built to create safety for our youth. We ride in packs to minimize the possibility of being hit by cars. We ride together because it creates bonds in our community. Because so many of our young Black and brown men are locked out of society due to racism and records, bike culture creates a space to help bring us back into community.

    We have been organizing ride outs for four years in an effort to bring our community together and build relationships with one another. We have ridden together in protest of police brutality. For the last three months, we have organized bikers to register and vote around the upcoming presidential election. This most recent ride out was meant to encourage our neighborhoods to pick up their bikes and put down their guns.

    Jhamal is somebody who participates in the community ride outs. He is a painter and makes custom scooters. He is a young man who is looked up to by teenage riders and very well respected by all in our community. He is a professional, sponsored motocross rider who can jump twenty feet in the air on a bike. His control of a scooter is second to none; he has the balance and control of a ballerina. Jhamal would not have been thrown off his bike if not for the police vehicle that aggressively hit him.

    There was a police officer standing by Jhamal’s bed in the hospital last night as though he is the threat. The police are the threat. The police hunted down our friend, dragged his body after throwing him off his bike, are standing ready to take away his freedom. Do not allow the state to distract us from the real perpetrators of violence in our communities.
    Sorry. Doesn't wash with me. I would have been behind this statement had they not been riding on both sides of the road, wheelying constantly, riding on the sidewalk etc etc.

    You all know that I'm the first to jump on the cops when they are over aggressive, but If these kids had been riding within the confines of the law, the cops would have not been chasing them down. I'm 100% sure that the chase started with someone not pulling over for a cop that had legitimate reason to stop the kid.

    I have seen these "rides". There are very few bikes that seem to be legal. No license plates, underage riders etc. This kid is spinning it pretty well, but I'm not fooled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Degsy View Post
    Oh jesus christ. You sound like you're my age.
    + parenting advice from the childless...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveM View Post
    + parenting advice from the childless...
    Well if y'all weren't fucking it up...

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    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    Well if y'all weren't fucking it up...
    There is correlation between behavior and corporal punishment in children, correct.

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    + parenting advice from the childless...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Degsy View Post
    I have seen these "rides". There are very few bikes that seem to be legal. No license plates, underage riders etc. This kid is spinning it pretty well, but I'm not fooled.
    check the link to the turtleboy article i posted...some videos and photos of how they were riding...
    http://www.nestreetriders.com/forum/...ml#post1579923

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    Quote Originally Posted by Point37 View Post
    check the link to the turtleboy article i posted...some videos and photos of how they were riding...
    http://www.nestreetriders.com/forum/...ml#post1579923
    Can't find it/ There arent any posts from you on the page you linked

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