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    Re: Dirt Bikes Seized by Boston Police

    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePackage View Post
    what exactly do you want me to answer here?
    See below

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    First, define public safety.
    Secondly, answer questions that dont involve public safety term

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    Re: Dirt Bikes Seized by Boston Police

    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePackage View Post
    >bodily injury liability coverage protects the insured in the event they injure someone else, not themselves.

    Yeah, thats right.
    Since this was a single vehicle accident, and there were no bodily injuries caused by the rider, “injury insurance” is irrelevant.

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    Re: Dirt Bikes Seized by Boston Police

    Quote Originally Posted by Vovchandr View Post
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    Secondly, answer questions that dont involve public safety term
    I couldn't find a full legal definition if that's what you want. I got this far:

    Public Safety refers to the welfare and protection of the general public. It is usually expressed as a governmental responsibility. Most states have departments for public safety. The primary goal of the department is prevention and protection of the public from dangers affecting safety such as crimes or disasters.

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    Re: Dirt Bikes Seized by Boston Police

    Quote Originally Posted by SteveM View Post
    Since this was a single vehicle accident, and there were no bodily injuries caused by the rider, “injury insurance” is irrelevant.
    Yeah, my point was more about how any insurance wouldn't cover this funeral as it was an unregistered vehicle on a public road.

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    Re: Dirt Bikes Seized by Boston Police

    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePackage View Post
    I couldn't find a full legal definition if that's what you want. I got this far:

    Public Safety refers to the welfare and protection of the general public. It is usually expressed as a governmental responsibility. Most states have departments for public safety. The primary goal of the department is prevention and protection of the public from dangers affecting safety such as crimes or disasters.
    In, Mass, speeding by itself is not a crime, it is a civil infraction.

    I do think this rider was endangering public safety to some degree, that is a busy street. I think he should have been pulled over and issued a civil infraction and, if warranted, had the dirt bike impounded.

    The fact that he died is a tragedy way out of proportion to his actions, in my opinion.

    But for the grace of God, there go I. We’ve all been equally or more irresponsible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePackage View Post
    I couldn't find a full legal definition if that's what you want. I got this far:

    Public Safety refers to the welfare and protection of the general public. It is usually expressed as a governmental responsibility. Most states have departments for public safety. The primary goal of the department is prevention and protection of the public from dangers affecting safety such as crimes or disasters.
    Until you actually answer the questions asked, I'm done with you dodging things and playing coy. Starting to feel like talking to Rambo again.

    What I gather, you think guy on dirtbike dying deserves death and is a public safety danger. You going 100mph+ on public roads is all fine and vanilla and safe.

    Got it.

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    Re: Dirt Bikes Seized by Boston Police

    Quote Originally Posted by SteveM View Post
    In, Mass, speeding by itself is not a crime, it is a civil infraction.

    Not entirely true. This varies by driver, locally posted road speeds, and circumstance. An ambulance is allowed to speed to an emergency, as are police cars and fire trucks. Everything else is criminal after 80MPH I think. Drag racing is also a criminal offense, even if you're doing the speed limit: https://www.relentlessdefense.com/pr...s/drag-racing/

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    Re: Dirt Bikes Seized by Boston Police

    Quote Originally Posted by Vovchandr View Post
    Until you actually answer the questions asked, I'm done with you dodging things and playing coy. Starting to feel like talking to Rambo again.

    What I gather, you think guy on dirtbike dying deserves death and is a public safety danger. You going 100mph+ on public roads is all fine and vanilla and safe.

    Got it.
    Alright, well you're wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePackage View Post
    Not entirely true. This varies by driver, locally posted road speeds, and circumstance. An ambulance is allowed to speed to an emergency, as are police cars and fire trucks. Everything else is criminal after 80MPH I think. Drag racing is also a criminal offense, even if you're doing the speed limit: https://www.relentlessdefense.com/pr...s/drag-racing/
    I intentionally used “by itself”

    “ In Massachusetts, speeding alone will not result in a criminal charge or reckless driving arrest. However, this is not the case in many other states. In Virginia, for example, driving 20 MPH or more in excess of the posted speed limit automatically constitutes the offense of reckless driving.”

    https://rmvlawyer.com/out-of-state-s...kless-driving/

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePackage View Post
    Alright, well you're wrong.
    Nope its literally what you said. And you've avoided expanding on it any further. I can literally quote you on those statements.

    So if you don't believe into what you type doesn't matter to me, but those statements from you are factual and you've provided nothing to counter your own statements other than "you're wrong".

    Pot meet kettle

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    And all who are prudent act with knowledge, but fools expose their folly.

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    Re: Dirt Bikes Seized by Boston Police

    Quote Originally Posted by SteveM View Post
    I intentionally used “by itself”

    “ In Massachusetts, speeding alone will not result in a criminal charge or reckless driving arrest. However, this is not the case in many other states. In Virginia, for example, driving 20 MPH or more in excess of the posted speed limit automatically constitutes the offense of reckless driving.”

    https://rmvlawyer.com/out-of-state-s...kless-driving/
    While technically true, MA cops can and will pull out "reckless driving" based on whatever their professional judgement of safety is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vovchandr View Post
    Nope its literally what you said. And you've avoided expanding on it any further. I can literally quote you on those statements.

    So if you don't believe into what you type doesn't matter to me, but those statements from you are factual and you've provided nothing to counter your own statements other than "you're wrong".

    Pot meet kettle
    ok do it

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePackage View Post
    While technically true, MA cops can and will pull out "reckless driving" based on whatever their professional judgement of safety is.

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    ok do it
    I've done it for the last 2 pages. See above.

    Or go to your user settings, click "see last posts by me" and read them.

    Onus is on you at this point in time. I've reiterated questions you've ignored 3x as well. Not putting in any more work that you simply skip and ignore.

    So yes this is your statement. This guy deserved to die and was a danger to public but speeding is all safe and willy nilly with no danger and you're okay to be doing it.


    Technically if the discovery finds out that the guy was going above the speed limit at the time of crash, then by your own logic he wasn't a danger to safety.

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    For anybody checking into this thread here is the latest update.


    PurplePackage is fine with him breaking the laws such as speeding, but when others do it, they are a danger to public safety and their death is deserved and is no big loss. Could even be a benefit is he's an organ donor!

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    Re: Dirt Bikes Seized by Boston Police

    If you want my driving record, you're free to look it up. https://www.mass.gov/rmv-records-requests

    I really don't know what else you want me to do for you. I fail to see how it's a tragedy. You don't seem to understand my position that this death may have been a somewhat optimal outcome for the public. We'll never know.

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    Re: Dirt Bikes Seized by Boston Police

    Quote Originally Posted by Vovchandr View Post
    For anybody checking into this thread here is the latest update.


    PurplePackage is fine with him breaking the laws such as speeding, but when others do it, they are a danger to public safety and their death is deserved and is no big loss. Could even be a benefit is he's an organ donor!
    And we don't know if he was breaking the speed limit. You've assumed this from the witness statement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePackage View Post
    If you want my driving record, you're free to look it up. https://www.mass.gov/rmv-records-requests

    I really don't know what else you want me to do for you. I fail to see how it's a tragedy. You don't seem to understand my position that this death may have been a somewhat optimal outcome for the public. We'll never know.
    I don't want your records unless they record every time you break the speed limit and I'll have that datalog.

    I wanted you to admit that you've been a public safety hazard as well in the past and if you died while excessively speeding (as that surely has happened and you failed to admit to it, instead danced around it while being coy) and it would have been a public benefit outcome for the public as well, especially if you were an organ donor! by your own logic.

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    Re: Dirt Bikes Seized by Boston Police

    Quote Originally Posted by Vovchandr View Post
    I don't want your records unless they record every time you break the speed limit and I'll have that datalog.

    I wanted you to admit that you've been a public safety hazard as well in the past and if you died while excessively speeding (as that surely has happened and you failed to admit to it, instead danced around it while being coy) and it would have been a public benefit outcome for the public as well, especially if you were an organ donor! by your own logic.
    Again, I don't believe speeding by itself is a threat to public safety. We have all gone over the posted speed limits. If you want more info, see above link.

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    Re: Dirt Bikes Seized by Boston Police

    Now that we've established that we all no longer have to care about Purple's philosophical, ethical and empathetical opinions, can we move on?

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    Re: Dirt Bikes Seized by Boston Police

    Dirt Bikes Seized by Boston Police-ead16a00206ecf77c73e2ad9c2d474e4-jpg

    When they're caught, those dirtbikes and ATVs shouldn't be crushed. Send em to Mexico or Canada, but don't crush em.

    OK I'm out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePackage View Post
    Again, I don't believe speeding by itself is a threat to public safety. We have all gone over the posted speed limits. If you want more info, see above link.
    Right.

    So again, in your opinion, you breaking laws such as speeding is fine, others who break laws such as illegally riding dirtbikes speeding or not, its not tragic if they crash and die, might even be a net positive.

    Yes we've all gone past the posted speed limits and in the eyes of the law and public, excessive speeding is a danger to public safety as a principle. So is riding illegal dirt bikes.

    Can both be done relatively safe in certain contexts? Yes.

    Did you care for that nuance when you say that it's not tragic his life is lost regardless of circumstances? No.

    So again, you're quick to judge others for them breaking traffic laws, but you're fine with the way you do it because *reasons*

    I'm moving on too

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    I say Michelle Wu is slightly responsible for that death.

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    Re: Dirt Bikes Seized by Boston Police

    Quote Originally Posted by Vovchandr View Post
    Right.

    So again, in your opinion, you breaking laws such as speeding is fine, others who break laws such as illegally riding dirtbikes speeding or not, its not tragic if they crash and die, might even be a net positive.

    Yes we've all gone past the posted speed limits and in the eyes of the law and public, excessive speeding is a danger to public safety as a principle. So is riding illegal dirt bikes.

    Can both be done relatively safe in certain contexts? Yes.

    Did you care for that nuance when you say that it's not tragic his life is lost regardless of circumstances? No.

    So again, you're quick to judge others for them breaking traffic laws, but you're fine with the way you do it because *reasons*

    I'm moving on too
    Hey you pretty much nailed it. Someone losing their life is not automatically a tragedy in all circumstances.

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    Re: Dirt Bikes Seized by Boston Police

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    trimble or leica gps unit...guessing leica cause we have a few at work that look similar...i think i can see the logo on the carbon fiber pole but it could be a trimble

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    Quote Originally Posted by Point37 View Post
    trimble or leica gps unit...guessing leica cause we have a few at work that look similar...i think i can see the logo on the carbon fiber pole but it could be a trimble
    OK that makes sense. They're going to reconstruct the accident. Maybe create a simulation of it. I wonder if they're using PC crash.

    https://www.youtube.com/c/PCCrashVideos/videos

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    Re: Dirt Bikes Seized by Boston Police

    Quote Originally Posted by Vovchandr View Post
    Right.

    So again, in your opinion, you breaking laws such as speeding is fine, others who break laws such as illegally riding dirtbikes speeding or not, its not tragic if they crash and die, might even be a net positive.

    Yes we've all gone past the posted speed limits and in the eyes of the law and public, excessive speeding is a danger to public safety as a principle. So is riding illegal dirt bikes.

    Can both be done relatively safe in certain contexts? Yes.

    Did you care for that nuance when you say that it's not tragic his life is lost regardless of circumstances? No.

    So again, you're quick to judge others for them breaking traffic laws, but you're fine with the way you do it because *reasons*

    I'm moving on too
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