really like the new fireblade

[Kham]

wow! one thing i really like is after you tip it over the bike keeps dropping lower and lower without any effort. all you have to do is give some throttle to get it back up. what makes a bike do that? is it mostly tire profile? it's got a new dunlop qualifier on the rear... not a bad tire at all. my zx10 is much lighter but takes little bit of effort to get it over some more. the power is comparable but the blade seemed smoother and shorter gear on first. the brake on the blade is much better of course being new and all.

[s a x m a n]

gyroscopic effect make the bike want to stand up and down ... the faster you go, the more its going to want to me straight up ... or quick to that point



glad you like the bike

[Kham]

i know the gyroscope effect which is why i said all you have to do is crank(i should say) the throttle to get it straight up. it just seems to want to fall over more and more with no extra effort and you gotta keep the throttle moving to not fall on the side. my bike doesn't do that.

[s a x m a n]

i misunderstood your question then ... because it was asked after after you talked about the bike going right back to straight while cranking on the throttle

[Kham]

oh yeah sorry... my english is broken again?

[Punjistick]

I believe it has something to do with the geometry of the bikes. Rake and trail and all that jazz.

[OreoGaborio]

oh yeah sorry... my english is broken again?

actually, i think it was saxman that was broken this time around

I bet if you lowered the front end a few millimeters that your zx10 would steer the same way.

[Kham]

actually, i think it was saxman that was broken this time around

I bet if you lowered the front end a few millimeters that your zx10 would steer the same way.

hmm... really? like how much? 5mm?

[OreoGaborio]

I'm not really in a position to give geometry advice, especially when Peter Kates is a readily accessable resource on this board, but I lowered mine 2mm, went for a quick spin to see how it felt, lowered 2mm more, went for a spin, lowered a little more etc. Ended up lowering it a total of 8mm & I'm pretty happy w/ that. Has a nice quick turn-in w/o feeling twitchy.

Obviously every bike is different. I dunno how much you can lower the ZX & still be safe. If you lower it too much you can very easily run into issues w/ headshake but a damper will reduce that risk.

Talk to PK before you try it to make sure it's safe to do on your zx.

[Kham]

thanks.

mine already has headshake issue sometimes but im not worry about that... just need to remember to go easy on the throttle. ...

from what i've heard the blade is easy to ride fast which i think is true (i think becuase of the smoothness) but still require some guts to riding. ya can't be chicken for sure.

[Awesome]

gyroscopic effect make the bike want to stand up and down ... the faster you go, the more its going to want to me straight up ... or quick to that point



glad you like the bike

Actually gyroscopic force will resist change. So if you're leaned over and the wheels and engine are spinning fast the bike will be more stable, same as if you're straight up. Accelerating will cause the bike to straighten up.

[Kham]

given about the same speed (less than 50mph), the blade has less resistant to cranking over some more... but your right Jay, over 70 it doesnt really matter.

[benVFR]

Kham you might try different tires.. what do you have right now?

The more triangular the profile of the front tire is the more the bike will have that "fall over" feeling.

Both the Pirelli Diablo Corsas I was running last year and the new Corsa 3s I have on my bike this year have that feeling. If you're perfectly straight the bike stays straight, but the steering is noticeably lighter. As soon as you start leaning the bike just wants to go all the way to max lean though, and then stabilizes once you get leaned over and just holds a line.

It's definitely nice for really fast riding.. give Pirellis a try if you like that feeling. Personally I'm not sure I do. On the street I think I like the more rounded profile that holds a line at any lean angle I think.

My brother just got a new GSX-R 750 and I tried it yesterday, it has Bridgestone BT-014s. I'm not sure if it's the steering damper, the narrower bars, or the tires but it had the nice neutral response I expect from Bridgestones.

Maybe I'd prefer the Pirellis more if my VFR didn't have such wide clip-ons.

[Awesome]

What's neutral response?

[Kham]

Kham you might try different tires.. what do you have right now?

The more triangular the profile of the front tire is the more the bike will have that "fall over" feeling.

Both the Pirelli Diablo Corsas I was running last year and the new Corsa 3s I have on my bike this year have that feeling. If you're perfectly straight the bike stays straight, but the steering is noticeably lighter. As soon as you start leaning the bike just wants to go all the way to max lean though, and then stabilizes once you get leaned over and just holds a line.

It's definitely nice for really fast riding.. give Pirellis a try if you like that feeling. Personally I'm not sure I do. On the street I think I like the more rounded profile that holds a line at any lean angle I think.

yea thats the feeling. damn nice! to hold the line all you do is adjust with the throttle. i still got the pilot power from last year,a little flat in the middle now. i think i wanna try the qualifier if i can find them cheaper than the pilot. if not i'll try the new pilot.

[benVFR]

What's neutral response?

I just mean the bike holds it's line no matter what at any lean angle.

With a tire with a rounded profile (which is almost all S-T tires IME but apparently fewer and fewer sport tires) my particular bike basically has no effort at the bars once you counter-steer and tip it to a particular angle. As long as you hold the throttle steady or a slight increase in gas it seems to like to hold any line.

Whereas with the Pirellis it will basically keep falling in to fairly substantial lean angle unless you get on the gas hard or apply pressure to the outside bar to maintain a moderate angle.

The Pirellis are just downright awesome riding hard.. just not as fun just cruising along.

[OreoGaborio]

What's neutral response?

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