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Goodbye KiLaR!

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    Re: Goodbye KiLaR!


    Negative.

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    Re: Goodbye KiLaR!

    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    On a side note, there’s 2 new Bonnie scramblers publicized today...
    That look fucking awesome!!!
    Xe with 9.8” of travel at 456lbs and looks like a 70’s Brit standard. Color me way intrigued.
    456lbs for a 1200 retro style scrambler?


    And the new KTM 790 is 4 lbs heavier?

    Good job Triumph. Bad job KTM.

    EDIT: nope, someone posted on the Face Space that it was 460. It's actually 372. Nevermind.

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    Re: Goodbye KiLaR!

    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    456lbs for a 1200 retro style scrambler?


    And the new KTM 790 is 4 lbs heavier?

    Good job Triumph. Bad job KTM.

    EDIT: nope, someone posted on the Face Space that it was 460. It's actually 372. Nevermind.
    I’d believe that when I see it.
    Nerds been hounding for 790 specs for months. Unless something came out in the last 12hrs and I missed it.

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    Re: Goodbye KiLaR!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gixxer View Post
    Wherever you read that did it mention anything about a replacement?
    This guy got the impression that it will be a KLX550
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7_gnh82sLWs

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    Re: Goodbye KiLaR!

    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    I’d believe that when I see it.
    Nerds been hounding for 790 specs for months. Unless something came out in the last 12hrs and I missed it.
    Like this?

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    Re: Goodbye KiLaR!

    That’s a duke, not the 790adv. Apples/oranges.

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    Re: Goodbye KiLaR!

    Quote Originally Posted by MattR302 View Post
    This guy got the impression that it will be a KLX550
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7_gnh82sLWs
    just watched this video, always loved everride's videos

    he provides me with sufficient logical facts that makes me feel like I came to my own conclusion

    my observation is consistent that it's a profit driven move and their research likely shows that an excellent suspended, adequate power, plated light adv bikes that *can* go off road with a high price tag targeted at exactly the price point that people will pay for it is how they can make more money. As for carbon credits being a driver in the availability of those models, we saw it happen in the automotive industry, so why not in the motorcycle world?

    and for that industry shift in CA, it's funny that I still see guys on adv boards still trying to convert an early 2000's WR or crf450x through illegal loopholes to get a plate on a "dirt bike" because anything oem plated (drz400/klr/xrl) all suck off road...I say it's not worth it. if you want a nice dual sport that is plenty capable off road, just get a newer bike and take your pick. you guys should know this doesn't apply to me, but for most guys that the industry caters to, the newer plated dual sports are the way to go.

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    Re: Goodbye KiLaR!

    Oh, I thought it was the 790 Duke that was being talked about. My bad.

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    Re: Goodbye KiLaR!

    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    That’s a duke, not the 790adv. Apples/oranges.
    While you're right, if you think the ADV trim is going to weigh less than the Duke, I'll take a hit of whatever you're smoking.

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    Re: Goodbye KiLaR!

    No man, I’m saying the 790adv will weigh about the same as the trumpet. Somewhere in the 450ish range. Like just about everything in that segment.

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    Re: Goodbye KiLaR!

    So the half assed refresh Iglu referenced looks mostly like just a bigger upper fairing...

    How does the Honda xr650L compare to the KLR?

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    Re: Goodbye KiLaR!

    The 650l is just an air cooled bike, a little skinnier to the eye. For some reason I always feel like it’s the tallest factory seat height on any motorcycle ever made, but it may be an illusion.

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    Re: Goodbye KiLaR!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gixxer View Post
    How does the Honda xr650L compare to the KLR?
    The KLR feels like a lightweight adventure bike with no power and the XRL feels like a heavy WR250R. To me at least. I(a person with very little dirt skill) might brave a single track on the XRL, but not on the KLR.

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    Re: Goodbye KiLaR!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gixxer View Post
    So the half assed refresh Iglu referenced looks mostly like just a bigger upper fairing...

    How does the Honda xr650L compare to the KLR?
    Yes, a bigger/wider upper fairing for 2008+.

    On a scale of most street worthy to most dirt worthy on the 650 thumpers:
    KLR650, DR650, XR650L, XR650R (kickstart and not factory plated)
    Not coincidentally, this is also the order of heaviest to lightest.
    Kawi also made a KLX650 back in the 90s that fell somewhere in the middle of that scale.

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    Re: Goodbye KiLaR!

    Quote Originally Posted by TwelveGaugeSage View Post
    I(a person with very little dirt skill) might brave a single track on the XRL, but not on the KLR.
    Your loss.

    The KLR has some chops. It's not a weapon, but it'll get there. I was handed the keys to a KLR a couple years ago in WV. Bashed one down a short section of mild double-track trail running from one side of town to the other and back. I was blown away at how ridable the KLR actually was. Really changed my mind about this machine. One of those "more than the sum of its parts" situations.

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    Re: Goodbye KiLaR!

    Quote Originally Posted by MattR302 View Post
    Kawi also made a KLX650 back in the 90s that fell somewhere in the middle of that scale.
    I did not know this. Nifty looking bike!

    KLX650R.. neat.

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    Re: Goodbye KiLaR!

    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    Your loss.

    The KLR has some chops. It's not a weapon, but it'll get there. I was handed the keys to a KLR a couple years ago in WV. Bashed one down a short section of mild double-track trail running from one side of town to the other and back. I was blown away at how ridable the KLR actually was. Really changed my mind about this machine. One of those "more than the sum of its parts" situations.
    I may be biased by the fact that when I was putting miles on my KLR, I was still a brand new rider and the few times I took it through mud my tires just weren't at all up to the task.

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    I hadn’t spent too much time on the DR, and may have been misled by comfort, but I felt it was easier for me to ride off road

    Both pulled some sick street whoolies

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    Re: Goodbye KiLaR!

    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    No man, I’m saying the 790adv will weigh about the same as the trumpet. Somewhere in the 450ish range. Like just about everything in that segment.
    Clayton really fucked this one up. 790 Duke is 372 dry, so maybe 400 with a full tank. I just took him at his word that it was "4 pounds heavier" than the scrambler. My point was there's no way the ADV weighs less than the nekkid one.

    Great job, Clayton.

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    Re: Goodbye KiLaR!

    I have ridden with a friend that had a DR400 with it's 320lbs on single track. I was on a KTM350EXC-F. He showed me how a gifted rider on an inferior machine can spank a lesser rider on a modern weapon. I took it for a ride and I realized it was a couch absorbing the minor hits like they were not there. The KTM was set up for bigger hits of J-Day and skittered around on the minor stuff wearing me out. On big stuff it crushed the DR but for 90% of the ride he was enjoying the cush.

    Speaking of the Triumph Scrambler 1200. It has an interesting feature on its TFT screen. Bluetooth integration with Google Maps for turn by turn navigation. Plus Bluetooth remote for GoPro. DANG! That is a feature I would love to have on any bike. I'm not a fan of hanging farkles in my cockpit. Minimalist yet integrated with apps you already carry in your phone is an awesome tool.

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    Re: Goodbye KiLaR!

    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    No man, I’m saying the 790adv will weigh about the same as the trumpet. Somewhere in the 450ish range. Like just about everything in that segment.
    416.7 Dry.

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    2019 KTM 790 Adventure/790 Adventure R Specifications
    Engine Type: Liquid-cooled transverse parallel twin, DOHC, 4 valves per cyl.
    Displacement: 799cc
    Bore/Stroke: 88 / 65.7mm
    Starter: Electric; 12V 10AH
    Transmission: 6 speed
    Fuel System: DKK Dell’Orto, 46 mm Throttle Body
    Lubrication: Pressure Lubrication with Two Oil Pumps
    Cooling: Liquid Cooling with Water/Oil Heat Exchanger
    Clutch: PASC (Power Assisted Slipper Clutch), Mechanically Operated
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    Frame: CroMoly Tubular Steel, Engine as Stressed Member
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    Front Suspension: WP USD 43mm/ WP USD 48mm
    Rear Suspension: WP Monoshock / WP Monoshock with PDS
    Suspension Travel Front/Rear: 200mm / 7.9 in.; 200mm / 7.9 in.; ADV R: 240mm / 9.4 in.; 240mm / 9.4 in.
    Front/Rear Brakes: Disc Brake 320 mm / 260 mm
    Front/Rear Wheels: 2.50 x 21 in., 4.50 x 18 in.
    Front/Rear Tires: 90/90-21 in.; 150/70-18 in.
    Steering Head Angle: 25.9 / 26.3
    Wheelbase: 1,509 mm 15 mm / 59.4 0.6 in.; ADV R: 1,528 mm 15 mm / 60.2 0.6 in.
    Ground Clearance: 233 mm / 9.2 in.; ADV R: 263 mm / 10.4 in.
    Seat Height: 850 / 830 mm; 33.5 / 32.7 in.; ADV R: 880 mm; 34.6 in.
    Tank Capacity: 20 l / 5.3 gals.
    Dry Weight, Approx: 189 kg / 416.7 lbs.

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    I dunno...looks better than others in the segment, but still a fun street bike that’s too heavy to ride serious off road. But eh, more street bike riders out there anyways...they will sell

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    Re: Goodbye KiLaR!

    Very excited about the 790R. After having ridden my 1290SA through more and more technical terrain over the past 2 years, weight is definitely the limiting factor (as well as rider of course). And I'm very glad to see that cruise control will be an option, it's possible this might be the perfect "ride a few hundred miles in comfort to the start of the trail" type of bike.

    If this hits the right price point, I might actually give up my beloved 1290SA.

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    Re: Goodbye KiLaR!

    The only thing I really question about this (or any ADV bike) venturing past a fire road is using the engine as a stressed member instead of a cradle frame. Engines don't particularly make good mounting points for bash plates.

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