GP Shift - Pros/Cons?

[RyanNicholson]

With that GP shift rod you should be able to use it for either GP or standard shift, I know you can on a 2nd gen R6. So you could always try it and go back to standard if you don't like it.

Personally I don't see a point in having it on the street.

[Jim]

has anyone asked why yet?

[Awesome]

With GP shift you can click the next gear driving out of a corner at full lean more easily without adjusting your body, foot and leg position.

[DuncanMoto]

has anyone asked why yet?

I think we already know why.

[Pittenger5]

has anyone asked why yet?

So...It would be theft deterrent AND Richie deterrent?

IN

Can you not read Jim?

[Kham]

you can shift at full lean? wow! didn't know... more power to you.

["Dangerous" Dan K]

you can shift at full lean? wow! didn't know... more power to you.

I'm sure Pete can. For me, I don't need to at FULL lean but while I'm still leaned over enough that I can't get my boot under my shifter. I can move the shifter up, but then I have to lift my foot more than I am comfortable with to downshift. Meant to go to GP last race weekend, hopefully will next.

[Kham]

i just thought full lean = 100% lean so any slight movement like from shifting wouldn't be good. what do i know.

[Awesome]

I think we already know why.

I thought she started this thread asking why GP shift.

[DucDave]

So I'm going to be putting new rearsets on the R6 in the near future, and am tempted to put on the GP shift kit at the same time , since there isn't much cost difference. Before doing so, I wanted to hear what people had to say about GP shift, i.e. pros and cons?

Pros and Cons...and she got an earfull...

Unless you're a racer....and there are some pretty fast American Superbike, World Superbike and MotoGP guys that use conventional shift (and don't fuckin' ask me who- I read it somewhere!) ...the cons outweigh the pros.

Above is opinion...not to be confused with fact. But its true too!

[obsolete]

I think a pro is a very positive up shift, as Gino said.

[Paul_E_D]

i just thought full lean = 100% lean so any slight movement like from shifting wouldn't be good. what do i know.

It's certainly required in a lot of corners on track. electric shifters make it smooth as butter as long as you don't roll off. There is definitely some traction in reserve at full lean, so a bike can handle some inputs like braking, shifting, accelerating. All it takes is skill.

[RandyO]

here's the advantages I found to GP shift pattern

1. you never downshift when leaned over, sometimes on long increasing radiius corners & sweepers, you want to upshift while still leaned over, but you can't get your toe under the shifter in left handers

not that I normally go crazy on the street, there is just such a curve near my house that I pass thru someimes a dozen times or more a day cause its en route. and sometimes ya just gotta have some fun

2. with GP shift, other riders are less likely to ask to ride your bike

other than that, no real difference, I also find it no problem to switch back & forth riding a bike that isn't GP, then throwing my leg over one that is, but a lto of people do have a problem switching back & forth

But when I first started riding, we were switching back & forth on which side of the bike the shifter was on.

[DucDave]

But when I first started riding, we were switching back & forth on which side of the bike the shifter was on.

When you first started buggy whip companies were still traded on the stock market....

[DaveZX6r]

I haven't ever tried a bike with gp pattern however that being said, I have no desire to switch to gp. I prefer the down is down pattern, generally I'm only shifting one gear up at a time espesially if i'm romping it, but if i'm downshifting I generally drop at least two, especially(sp?) if i'm setting up for a turn. So I'd rather be more smooth/ assertive on the downshifts then up. Just my .02

[Kham]

It's certainly required in a lot of corners on track. electric shifters make it smooth as butter as long as you don't roll off. There is definitely some traction in reserve at full lean, so a bike can handle some inputs like braking, shifting, accelerating. All it takes is skill.

really? i thought if you go 101% lean you flop over. i wouldn't try it.

i saw the electric shifter in operation. looks need.

[Paul_E_D]

You can't lean a bike too far. All it takes is skill.

[Kham]

You can't lean a bike too far. All it takes is skill.

thnaks. but what is meant by full lean if you can't lean it too far?

[Legion1440]

So...It would be theft deterrent AND Richie deterrent?

IN

You mean Ritchie right?

Wait....what???

[Stoneman]

Like others have said, it'll give you quicker more precise upshifts and should all but eliminate false neutrals. I did it on my old track bike and quickly switched my streetbike over and never looked back...

I find it to be of benefit also when people wanna take it for a spin. It'll defray about half of 'em from actually taking it...

Each is different, but the only time I had a problem was when I actually had time to think about it. Of all my bikes/quads (one streetbike, three quads), they're all different and I rarely have a problem going from one to the other...

[Paul_E_D]

thnaks. but what is meant by full lean if you can't lean it too far?

Well, the bike itself will touch the ground, or your leg against the ground, fairing against your leg. I meant to say that tires/traction are not the limit. Rider skill is, or the physical limitations of the bike itself.

[OreoGaborio]

i just thought full lean = 100% lean so any slight movement like from shifting wouldn't be good. what do i know.

For most of us here on our "big bikes".... Not "knee on the ground" full lean... but leaned over enough that you'd be scraping the crap out of your toe if you tried to get it under the shift lever.

But I bet Paul on his 2 stroke has banged plenty of upshifts w/ his knee on the ground.

[Kitt]

gp shift= no cons

whatever you prefer

[Femmekat]

Thanks for all the great information guys! I knew there would be a wealth of information out there....
I'm thinking I'll try it in a couple weeks, if I hate it, I can always switch back.

[OreoGaborio]

Aight, well if you do end up trying it out, there's a few tricks that you can use to help remember which way GP shift works while you're riding around...


1 - The pointer finger method: When most people shift they're either "blipping" the throttle or rolling off the throttle.... if you extend your index finger when you manipulate the throttle for your up or down shift, simply click in the direction that your index finger moves

2 - The "RPM" method: Shift in the direction that you want the RPM's to go.... If you want the RPM's to drop down, click down. If you want the RPM's to come up, click up.

3 - The "Body position" method: When accelerating on the ract track most riders tuck down... so click down. When braking on the race track, most riders "pop up".... so click up.


I didn't really have much guidance when I was trying to figure it out for myself so I kinda came up with the first two on my own & thus they both worked for me... I heard about the 3rd one after I started getting used to it, but it still worked for me as well as others.



The only other piece of (mediocre) advice I got was "Just click in the opposite direction you're used to".... the problem with that is, once you get used to GP shift, you might start clicking in the opposite direction & it gets you effed up all over again