GP Shift - Pros/Cons?

[DucDave]

...or, you could just do the exact opposite of what you're used to doing....

[OreoGaborio]

...or, you could just do the exact opposite of what you're used to doing....

See edit That's how I almost blew up Degsy's old race bike at VIR (but don't tell him that )

[Femmekat]

...or, you could just do the exact opposite of what you're used to doing....

Haha..I've been thinking about it so much that its going to be hard riding my bike until then in standard shift, lol.

[OreoGaborio]

Eh, standard shift is easy.... upshift click up... downshift click down.

[Kham]

Well, the bike itself will touch the ground, or your leg against the ground, fairing against your leg. I meant to say that tires/traction are not the limit. Rider skill is, or the physical limitations of the bike itself.

got it. so full lean not equal tire traction limit. so it's beyond tire traction? what's keepin the bike up when tire traction is over the limit?

sorry for being dumb.

[OreoGaborio]

luck

Kham, you're already a fast rider but come & do a track day & sit in on the classroom sessions. You'll learn way more about riding if you do & you'll have a shit ton of fun while you're at it.

I can tell you wanna learn... why not come check it out?

[Kham]

luck

Kham, seriously, I know you're already a fast rider but you gotta just come & do a track day. You'll learn way more about riding if you do & you'll have a shit ton of fun while you're at it.

You've got the speed but the knowledge is lacking.

yeah yea. sorry for being dumb. could you explain what's keeping the bike up when tire traction went over the limit?

[OreoGaborio]

See edited post... not saying you're dumb, just saying you'll learn a lot more in a person-to-person classroom environment.

Assuming you don't do anything to make the bike crash, tires REGULARLY exceed their traction limit.... if you're smooth enough & let the bike geometry and the tires do their job, momentum will keep you going forward and generally the tires will regain traction & you'll continue on your way.

The last wet track day we did, I was out there on Diablo Supercorsas, which, as DOT race tires, are notoriously slippery in the wet..... During the last session of the day the track was pretty empty so I was out there having some fun.... I was loosing traction all OVER the place & never crashed... pushing the front under braking, sliding it mid corner, spinning the rear on the exits... it was a friggin blast!!!!

[Kham]

you hear the max lean of certain tires at 45 degree, 50 degree, etc. so there's still more traction when you're at 60, 70, 80 degree? so then 45 degree is not max lean as the claim? is my english off?

[OreoGaborio]

Your english is fine, I understand what you're asking.

Ya gotta remember that riding is often more of an art and not a science... you can't always pinpoint "the limit". I think they publish those lean angle "limits" under the assumption that it's going to be read by the average joe street rider, thus they're a little on the conservative side.

It IS possible to ride over "the limit"... sometimes it bites you, sometimes it doesn't. Depends on a million variables including but not limited to rider skill, the environment, bike set-up etc.

[Kham]

[OreoGaborio]

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[Kham]

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[OreoGaborio]

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[The Snowman]

My SV is GP. It's easier to upshift coming out of T3 at NHMS. I ordered a new lever for the CBR and will be converting soon, just to keep all the bikes the same.

[RandyO]

Assuming you don't do anything to make the bike crash, tires REGULARLY exceed their traction limit.... if you're smooth enough & let the bike geometry and the tires do their job, momentum will keep you going forward and generally the tires will regain traction & you'll continue on your way.

that's the principle I use when I ride on snow & ice

My SV is GP. It's easier to upshift coming out of T3 at NHMS. I ordered a new lever for the CBR and will be converting soon, just to keep all the bikes the same.

t3 is a right hander isn't it?

[Pittenger5]

I never went GP. I dont think Id be able to get it. There was only one place on the track it wouldve been nice, and never once did I feel the need to have it on the street.

Now I ride dirtbikes.

[Stoneman]

I think trying to remember all these ways to remember which way to shift is gonna fuck you up more than anything else. I'd get all those cute little sayings and analogies right the fuck outta your head before you give this a shot. I'm sure there's plenty of us around here that'd let you try it out first too...

["Dangerous" Dan K]

I think trying to remember all these ways to remember which way to shift is gonna fuck you up more than anything else. I'd get all those cute little sayings and analogies right the fuck outta your head before you give this a shot. I'm sure there's plenty of us around here that'd let you try it out first too...

I rode my first GP shift simply by being told "it's GP shift" and being handed the bike. Turned out I liked it. Why add extra shit to think about?

[Kham]

Why add extra shit to think about?

a) make it challenging?
b) make it interesting?
c) pro wannabe?
d) all of the above?

[Stoneman]

I rode my first GP shift simply by being told "it's GP shift" and being handed the bike. Turned out I liked it. Why add extra shit to think about?

EXACTLY! Just clear your fuckin' head and to the opposite of what you normally do...

["Dangerous" Dan K]

a) make it challenging?
b) make it interesting?
c) pro wannabe?
d) all of the above?

Ever ridden the track, especially in a race situation? A & B are already covered. For C, I don't think the pro's use these little reminder tricks, I think they just do it by instinct, shifting the way they could, whatever you call it. Which is how I did it, even my first time, so I guess instinct is out. It probably is instinct/muscle memory for any pro using GP though.

[Kham]

man.. if i can clear my head i'd be stress free.

[Jim]

EXACTLY! Just clear your fuckin' head and to the opposite of what you normally do...

so i go even slower?

["Dangerous" Dan K]

man.. if i can clear my head i'd be stress free.

Hear that? Loudon is calling you. That'll clear your head and remove your stress. Of course, so will crack or heroin, and in the long run they're probably cheaper. I still vote for Loudon.