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There are different standards for whether there is a voluntary agreement or not, and for whether you're talking about access to private property or not. A private venue has the right to make whatever rules they want; this is counterbalanced by the right of the customer to go somewhere else, patronize some other place. Government, OTOH, has the duty to respect people's rights and to be fair and as non-restrictive as possible, since it has been granted the ability to use force, and because people don't have the ability to simply opt out and not patronize the government.
PhilB
"A free man must be able to endure it when his fellow men act and live otherwise than he considers proper." -- Ludwig von Mises
1993 Ducati Monster M900; 265,000 miles -- killed by minivan 30Oct17
I don't think there's a discount for getting your license, but in MA you get 10% of your comprehensive insurance when you pass the MSF course. The discount is good forever, so eventually the course pays for itself and more.
Good point. Sorry contributing to the off-topic thread drift.
DanG
People almost invariably arrive at their beliefs not on the basis of proof but on the basis of what they find attractive.
- Blaise Pascal
huh. i always thought the msf course discount was only good for a few years. now i really have to look into it. might take it myself just for the discount.
Go to the m/c insurance company's website that allows you to get a quote online (GEIKO, Progressive). They have a question whether you have a valid m/c license and if you completed the MSF class. You can pick a different selections and see how the final $ quote changes based on your entries.
DanG
People almost invariably arrive at their beliefs not on the basis of proof but on the basis of what they find attractive.
- Blaise Pascal
Msf discount is forever in mass. You also get a rate reduction after having your mc license for 7 years just like the regular class d.
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Close your eyes, look deep in your soul, step outside yourself and let your mind go.
I rode more on my permit while I was 16 before I could legally get my license than I ever have since. Nearly 23k in a year, most of that in the winter.
I also didn't bitch about a $250 course when I was about to spend $11k on a motorcycle to immediately flop on the track
Everyone is an asshole, that's all there is to it.
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Wow this threads still going???
Well I decided to get as many "unlicensed" rides in as I can before next month, this morning was kinda chilly but it was really nice on lunch. last month I bought a pair of bilt insulated leather gloves on sale and they are so damn toasty, problem is on days like today when I forget my other gloves, if its above 45 out my hands sweat instantly. Between the new gloves and thermals I won't be putting my bike away for the season until the first snow again and really it only gets put away because I have to move everything around to get to my plow.
Is there anyone else riding well into freezing temps without any heated gear?
I rode for a few years through winter w/o heated gear, then I bought a heated vest. One of the best motorcycle purchases I have ever.....
Last edited by duganc1717; 11-12-14 at 07:59 AM.
I use heated gloves. Everything else I can keep warm enough with layering clothing, but the hands were the limiting factor for me. The heated gloves made the difference. I generally ride until the first snow/ice that sticks around. Last year that was Thanksgiving; the year before it wasn't until Christmas Eve.
PhilB
"A free man must be able to endure it when his fellow men act and live otherwise than he considers proper." -- Ludwig von Mises
1993 Ducati Monster M900; 265,000 miles -- killed by minivan 30Oct17
Crazy ass motherfuckers....
I only ride if it's 70...
I used to ride in the winter. Heated jacket liner (NOT VEST) was the second best $200 I ever spent on my riding career at the time.
I'll let you guess about the best $200.
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